Shocking workmanship

[jrandom]

Every manufacturer does just that though mate, it's to ensure follow up business. Suzuki, Triumph, Harley, all the same. And that's just to name the manufacturers I've dealt with. Can't blame Ohlins for that.

Oh, it's not a blame thing. Ohlins make great products, they're a fine company, and I'd buy their suspenders myself if I needed to win races.

I'm just pointing out that the fact that they design their products to require proprietary tools for disassembly does not imply that you need special black-magic knowledge to use those tools.

Certainly it's always possible to cock up servicing of any mechanical component - what I'm responding to, here, is RT's frequent apparent insistence that his company, and only his company, can be trusted not to do so when it comes to suspenders.

Agreed, it's nuts and bolts. But you'd rather your Lamborghini serviced by the chap trained at the factory...

Of course. But if the bloke at the factory kept banging on in public about how the blokes who work at Mag & Turbo don't have a clue what they're doing, I might start getting annoyed with him for being unnecessarily pompous, and look for ways to take my business elsewhere simply because I didn't like his attitude.

I don't understand this bit sorry. What the hell you tryin to say? As with anything, you like something, you get told a price, you buy it or you don't. How's that opaque?

I can get a printed catalogue from Yoshimura with prices for everything they make. If I want to know what a part costs in the USA, I can pretty much just convert the NZD price to USD.

Good luck getting the same from Ohlins. Your only option there is to go, cap in hand, to your local dealer, and take on the chin whatever price he's deciding to charge based on his sales volume and support costs.

Of course, they have a perfect right to conduct their business that way if they so choose. Doesn't mean I have to like it, though.

Yeah but if you "name and shame" on here, you're then bombarded with people...

As I stated earlier, I think the best thing to do in this case would have been to take up the issues with the workshop in question. If one really wanted to be a knight in shining armour, one could look to get some form of compensation for the customers who had to deal with the impact of the shoddy workmanship.

But quietly getting on with sorting that out wouldn't act as an advertisement to thousands of potential customers, would it?

Put it this way - I'm sure RT's a stand-up guy, and he obviously does many great things for his racing and roadriding customers. But I, personally, find his approach to marketing on KB slightly odious.

PS - Since your bro's now got me on his ignore list, would you mention to him when convenient that I'm very, very sorry for being a cock, and that I will present him, by way of apology, with a giant Ohlins-branded teddybear that he can cuddle to sleep every night?

[imdying]

I will present him, by way of apology, with a giant Ohlins-branded teddybear that he can cuddle to sleep every night?

Wait, you can get those?!?!?! I'll take one Robert, if you're reading this, send me the bill immediately!

[White trash]

PS - Since your bro's now got me on his ignore list, would you mention to him when convenient that I'm very, very sorry for being a cock, and that I will present him, by way of apology, with a giant Ohlins-branded teddybear that he can cuddle to sleep every night?

No need mate, I'll just quote and he'll see

[Morcs]

That a challenge?

Do you have any evidence of this ?

Well you guys are in the other half...

[boomer]

I've had enough of your self righteous posts JRandom, in all honesty. Im puttin you on ignore and maybe you should take some time away from the interweb, specifically KB and go do something else.


And Morcs, i've got Ohlins.. wanna see if you can beat me on your TL?

[mashman]

I can see where JRandom is coming from to a certain degree, but it's all in the translation of how you read the articles on KB. I've never read Robert self promote, advertise or in any way tell people on KB that they should go with him... but that's my translation.

JRandom, would you be happier if Robert imparted his invaluable information to the forum in the Shop Sales, Info & Discounts section? Would that make a difference?

[boomer]

I can see where JRandom is coming from to a certain degree, but it's all in the translation of how you read the articles on KB. I've never read Robert self promote, advertise or in any way tell people on KB that they should go with him... but that's my translation.

JRandom, would you be happier if Robert imparted his invaluable information to the forum in the Shop Sales, Info & Discounts section? Would that make a difference?

who gives a flying fook what Jrandom wants.... believe it or not, this aint HIS web site

[jrandom]

JRandom, would you be happier if Robert imparted his invaluable information to the forum in the Shop Sales, Info & Discounts section? Would that make a difference?

Absolutely. Self-promotion's a necessary part of running a business, and that's what the Shop Sales section is there for.

It's:

A. the mixing of self-promotion with technical advice in a technical forum; and

B. self-promotion via put-downs of one's competitors, without hard evidence to back it up,

that I take issue with.

F'rinstance, if Ray Clee turned up around these parts and wrote at length about engine tuning, that'd be awesome, but if he carried on to make endless insinuations about his competitors being crap and anyone not using his services being somehow in support of a socialist reversion to the Stone Age, I'd go off him pretty damn fast.

Now, it's a shame that some folk I would really prefer not to offend have decided that the opinions I've expressed on this are worthy cause for putting me on their ignore lists, but then again, a number of other folk seem to be in strong support of the points I make, so... *shrug*

[Morcs]

I've had enough of your self righteous posts JRandom, in all honesty. Im puttin you on ignore and maybe you should take some time away from the interweb, specifically KB and go do something else.


And Morcs, i've got Ohlins.. wanna see if you can beat me on your TL?

Nah Id use the DRZ

I was never referring to me as the average joe on a 5k bike... I have a will to live nowadays.

Squidding is where its at


And edit: I think Jrandom is a great guy, and has valid points in this thread, just like most of you think Robert taylor is a great guy who also has valid points -
now the question is, cos I agree with 'random, Does that mean I should call you all cunts and put you on ignore?

Answer: No. Because Im not trying to stick my nose in Mr Randoms arse.

[boomer]

Nah Id use the DRZ

I was never referring to me as the average joe on a 5k bike... I have a will to live nowadays.

Squidding is where its at


And edit: I think Jrandom is a great guy, and has valid points in this thread, just like most of you think Robert taylor is a great guy who also has valid points -
now the question is, cos I agree with 'random, Does that mean I should call you all cunts and put you on ignore?

Answer: No. Because Im not trying to stick my nose in Mr Randoms arse.

you'd beat me on the SM too :P

I'm not standing up for Robert Taylor.. he's big, old and ugly enough to do that himself. I'm sick of opening KB and reading what JRandom thinks about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

[Morcs]

you'd beat me on the SM too :P

I'm not standing up for Robert Taylor.. he's big, old and ugly enough to do that himself. I'm sick of opening KB and reading what JRandom thinks about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.

The edit part of my post wasnt aimed at you. It was aimed at the rest of the thread

[mashman]

Absolutely. Self-promotion's a necessary part of running a business, and that's what the Shop Sales section is there for.

It's:

A. the mixing of self-promotion with technical advice in a technical forum; and

B. self-promotion via put-downs of one's competitors, without hard evidence to back it up,

that I take issue with.

Now that's where i disagree with you. the thread was started with a description of some appauling work that had been done, so there was evidence presented.

Where I can't disagree is with the self-promotion side of things. All i can say is that that's not how I read Roberts posts. I see them as pieces of information and again that could mean that i'm ignoring the self-promotion (which I think I would have picked up but likely ignored anyway), or JRandom has picked up on self-promotion where there isn't any, yet he sees it. It's a lose lose situation, the Internerd is exceptional for encouraging people to misread things...

Some people will be offended by JRandoms style of conveying his emotions, he's likely an emotive guy, we all are on certain issues, but at the end of the day the language boils down to a simple emotion, he's unhappy with what he's read and offends some people with how he's written his responses. In which case I can only encourage people to not be offended by the language and focus on the emotion... obviously i have taught my gran to suck eggs before and hold out every hope that we can once again unite and agree to disagree.

[nodrog:Me]

.....lets all have a big cuddle...

[Katman]

Now, it's a shame that some folk I would really prefer not to offend have decided that the opinions I've expressed on this are worthy cause for putting me on their ignore lists, but then again, a number of other folk seem to be in strong support of the points I make, so... *shrug*

I know exactly how you feel.

[avgas]

Ok, everybody count to 10.
Good?
Get the fuck back to work!