Safety and race-field size

[slowpoke]

less classes longer races.

Wot he said!!

OK, so one problem is solved (number of competitors) and surely the next problem to be tackled is the progression of competitors such that the we have a true PREMIER class. Big fields of the best riders on the best bikes....as opposed to a bulging 600 field and just a handful of Superbikes.

I reckon remove the cross entering and have superbike races 2 laps longer than the rest of the classes. This would result in racers wanting to move up to the big bangers and being rewarded for their efforts.

As a point to consider, I'm in Perth on a training course at the moment and last weekend I attended a car club meeting at Wanneroo. There were seven classes with a 10min practice/qualifying and three 8 lap races for each class (28 track outings in total). They were all done by 4:30pm. Organisation and strict dummy grid timing is the key, along with a safety car in the event of an off (there were plenty). No reason we can't do the same.

[Clivoris]

Time bracket or Grade racing is an idea that comes around every so often, and might be seen as a panacea to the current problems.
In many ways it might be, but of course there are problems with it also.

Aha, now I know what people are talking about. Thanks Doc. It's not the solution I thought it might be.

OK, so one problem is solved (number of competitors) and surely the next problem to be tackled is the progression of competitors such that the we have a true PREMIER class. Big fields of the best riders on the best bikes....as opposed to a bulging 600 field and just a handful of Superbikes.

I reckon remove the cross entering and have superbike races 2 laps longer than the rest of the classes. This would result in racers wanting to move up to the big bangers and being rewarded for their efforts.

As a point to consider, I'm in Perth on a training course at the moment and last weekend I attended a car club meeting at Wanneroo. There were seven classes with a 10min practice/qualifying and three 8 lap races for each class (28 track outings in total). They were all done by 4:30pm. Organisation and strict dummy grid timing is the key, along with a safety car in the event of an off (there were plenty). No reason we can't do the same.

Giving F1 more laps is a bloody good idea, and we do try to give the big boys the extra laps when time is available. If we did it as a matter of course and restricted cross entry, it might build the class up.
We run 8 races/classes, and I think that the plan for this weekend is to run 3 6 lap races for each class. 32 races in total. Dummy grid timing is a lot more difficult than people seem to realise and I feel obliged to say that our grid marshalls do the best they can to keep it ticking over. There will invetibly be times where there are delays. I might be misinterpreting your post but it feels like a suggestion that if we were more organised we could get through more. The feed-back I have had is that the Vic MC has the best run bike meetings in NZ.

[Ivan]

Yeah the Vic Club is a very organised club and its good to be a part of.

I guess the rpoblem with being such a good club is that you get a good reputation so you get alot of riders for me it makes it awsome heaps more people to race agaisnt but for you organisers I know what its like being involved for 2 years i think on commitee it is a stress trying to find room and I say good on you guys for doing what you have done and making round 1 move so smoothly as we know a few people were finding it hard to be there and you kept it ticking over and smoothly top marks guys keep at it

[driftn]

Try it on an old 750
The problem with saying not 'fast enough, do clubmans' is that there is a cutoff time for clubmans too, you could easily end up between classes.
If I can ever afford to get down again (yeh I know, waa waa) I'd be pissed if I didn't qualify for any classes.....
I'm all for the 'fill the grid with the appropriate bikes, then top it up with cross entries' idea

Yes what he said. Ill fly the srad flag for us tough bastards this weekend.
Stay in your appropriate class and there shouldnt be a prob. Until we have 40 super bikes enter that is

[Marknz]

I'm all for the 'fill the grid with the appropriate bikes, then top it up with cross entries' idea

Yep, that would be the concept I would support too. Looking at getting back into it next year on a 600 (only in clubmans 'cause I'm a slow old c%nt) and I would be happy with that plan of attack.

[Marknz]

Exciting, but a little unsafe really I think

Yep, but what about reverse grid with handicap starts? Is that safer? Might stop the carnage going into turn 1? Don't know, just putting it out there.

[Tony.OK]

We run 8 races/classes, and I think that the plan for this weekend is to run 3 6 lap races for each class. 32 races in total.

I hope you're telling porkies
I was going by last years mylaps results and expecting something similar(15laps) or at least 10.
How do ya get 32 from 3 x 8 classes

Edit:Sorry i'm a dumbass......................was obviously looking at the 2 day event from last year

[Frenchy]

I hope you're telling porkies
I was going by last years mylaps results and expecting something similar(15laps) or at least 10.
How do ya get 32 from 3 x 8 classes

Easy Clivoris wnet to the smae scohol as me

[Tony.OK]

Easy Clivoris wnet to the smae scohol as me

hahaa you were too busy wagging and doin wheelies n stoppies on ur bmx

[steveyb]

Didn't get where he is today by being able to count, read, write........

[Petrolic]

theres no problem with cross entry, if there is room however why is the cost only ten bucks for all those xtra sessions???? and track time. If a space is available to enter another class as well and you qualify, why not charge a full entry fee for that class. This would mean an xtra several hundred dollars to help share around the running costs of the marshals and those doing such a great job running the club meet. If I could cross over or enter another class I'd be more than willing to pay again. sound fair don't you think? if it means that much to these few.
Just a thought ????

[CHOPPA]

theres no problem with cross entry, if there is room however why is the cost only ten bucks for all those xtra sessions???? and track time. If a space is available to enter another class as well and you qualify, why not charge a full entry fee for that class. This would mean an xtra several hundred dollars to help share around the running costs of the marshals and those doing such a great job running the club meet. If I could cross over or enter another class I'd be more than willing to pay again. sound fair don't you think? if it means that much to these few.
Just a thought ????

Na not really, most of the entry fee is to pay for mnz levies and track hire the clubs prob only left with $10 from each entry so once a rider has paid the initial large entry then i think the $10 is good. Thats why the entry fee is so high in the first place, mx is only $20 to $30 sign on

[Grub]

How do ya get 32 races from 3 x 8 classes

You're not taking into account the
- race to get a pit bay
- race to get signed on before the scrub session
- race to get to the front of the dummy grid to be first on the track for qualifying
- race to have a pee between races
- race to get a coffee at lunch time
- race to finish lunch and have a pee before next race
- race to get to the race with tyres still hot
- race to get home before you nod off at the wheel

[lostinflyz]

in relation to a few posts there are alot of people down south on older superbikes and even more people on new 600's. The guys on the new 600's usually seem to do better than the older superbike guys. It seems unreasonable to ask a good (but not fucking fantastic) rider to ride in clubmans cause theres alot of 600 bikes doubling up into f1. and i assume they dont want 600's cause they have an attachment to the machinery between there legs.

I doubt that this is happeneing yet but it will and if VMCC is looking at changing the rules of running race days forethought is a great idea or else you stand to piss off more people in the future. If there arent 35 people stacking a class does it matter as well.

but i agree with what most are saying, if you cant qaulify a superbike there must be a reason. If your slow, your slow accept it. but if your on a 7-8 year old sbk is it really reaonsable to make u update it.

[Clivoris]

I hope you're telling porkies
How do ya get 32 from 3 x 8 classes

Easy Clivoris wnet to the smae scohol as me

Didn't get where he is today by being able to count, read, write........

Umm..err..

You're not taking into account the
- race to get a pit bay
- race to get signed on before the scrub session
- race to get to the front of the dummy grid to be first on the track for qualifying
- race to have a pee between races
- race to get a coffee at lunch time
- race to finish lunch and have a pee before next race
- race to get to the race with tyres still hot
- race to get home before you nod off at the wheel

Nice try Grub, but simple is as simple does. I was busted.