Safety and race-field size

[Bloody Mad Woman (BMW)]

To get faster you go to track days and practice there if you are really serious about racing and entering into the "fuller/full" classes.

Yes we are still Club level racing - we have the Clubmans class and the post classic class - interesting that there are not many entries in Clubmans this series ok there are cut off times for these but it is for safety.

As Grub said, Manfeild is only licenced to grid 35 at a time. We cannot put more bike on the grid.

[roadracingoldfart]

To get faster you go to track days and practice there if you are really serious about racing and entering into the "fuller/full" classes.

Yes we are still Club level racing - we have the Clubmans class and the post classic class - interesting that there are not many entries in Clubmans this series ok there are cut off times for these but it is for safety.

As Grub said, Manfeild is only licenced to grid 35 at a time. We cannot put more bike on the grid.

Open days and practice days at the track will not make you go faster unless you have a benchmark to work with to start off. Timing is not available and like type bikes may not be in attendance, a 400 rider wanting to learn to go faster will get nowhere trying to mimic a 1000 or 600.

Club level racing it may be but its the largest series held in NZ and will continue to grow in its present format.
Clubmans is vital for entry level racers and Post Classic is now a very popular class due to the older bikes we all ride and still find fun , not always competative but fun.

May i ask why Manfeild claims to be ALLOWED to run a field of only 35 bikes ?
Who imposes the rule and why is it imposed? , safety , noise ?

I have been involved for many years , decades and have ben in races with many more entries including the Castrol 6 hour and the Shell 2 wheeler all held at Manfield.
Not that im wanting to shit stir , i just want to know why and what for.

Paul.

[Grub]

Nice try Grub, but simple is as simple does. I was busted.

Bugger ... it was a bit hard thinking of 8 extra 'races'.

[Grub]

May i ask why Manfeild claims to be ALLOWED to run a field of only 35 bikes ?.

Paul, I can't claim to know for certain, but I believe that is the terms of the MSN Licencing of that circuit for motorcycle racing.

[roadracingoldfart]

Paul, I can't claim to know for certain, but I believe that is the terms of the MSN Licencing of that circuit for motorcycle racing.

Thats exactly why im asking my question , nobody seems to know for sure and yet its widely quoted as a rule thats not flexible.

Is it documented anywhere. Does club racing have to adhere to it ?
wanders away to look out the rule book !!

Paul.

[Grub]

Thats exactly why im asking my question , nobody seems to know for sure and yet its widely quoted as a rule thats not flexible.

That's perhaps a little unfair, I said I didn't know for sure but the Vic Race committee do. And yes, we do have to adhere to it. It's mandated by Manfield, just as 40 was by Taupo and is a condition of our hire of the tracks.

Plain and simple, it's a dead duck.

[roogazza]

[QUOTE=roadracingoldfart;1614772
Club level racing it may be but its the largest series held in NZ and will continue to grow in its present format.
I have been involved for many years , decades and have ben in races with many more entries including the Castrol 6 hour and the Shell 2 wheeler all held at Manfield.
Paul.[/QUOTE]

Two Wheeler meets were great, huh Paul ? even though they were club meets, riders would come from all over the country. They were just like points races. (which goes for just about all meets in those days including of course the Street meets)
I can remember having to qualify in fields of 45 !!! (how terrible !) But then those were the days when you had to pass exams at school !! you know pass or fail !!!!! Gaz.

[roadracingoldfart]

Two Wheeler meets were great, huh Paul ? even though they were club meets, riders would come from all over the country. They were just like points races. (which goes for just about all meets in those days including of course the Street meets)
I can remember having to qualify in fields of 45 !!! (how terrible !) But then those were the days when you had to pass exams at school !! you know pass or fail !!!!! Gaz.

Yer i used to qualify for races much better than i did pass exams .
But hell i didnt turn out two bad und i can spull some big wirds and i learnd to talk propperer.

Ahh the good old days

[Clivoris]

Ahh the good old days

Slept in a cardboard box full of glass int middle oft road n all

[roadracingoldfart]

That's perhaps a little unfair, I said I didn't know for sure but the Vic Race committee do. And yes, we do have to adhere to it. It's mandated by Manfield, just as 40 was by Taupo and is a condition of our hire of the tracks.

Plain and simple, it's a dead duck.

Please dont get all precious on me GRUB ... its not aimed at you, or anybody in particular.

All i am saying is that we are told its a rule but nobody can tell us either why or when it came into effect or who enforces the rule or who made the rule.
My investigations have all drawn a blank and the rule is not known by all in power of motorcycle racing in NZ.
I dont personally care as i normaly qualify easily for my own class, but it would be nice to have a definative answer from an authority that made the rule or enforces the rule.
The question about it just keeps coming up and has never been answered fully to allay further questioning of it. Lets get it clarified.

I have emailed a few leaders in the field to clarify and i will let you all know what the answer is.
When i rang them they didnt know and were surprised to hear of the rule , so even the upper regions of the sport are perplexed enough to go to thier own rule book , no wonder im confused am as well.

A dead duck it may well be but i live up wind from the carcass so im ok about it if it sits in the sun for a while.

Paul.

[twinshock750]

Please dont get all precious on me GRUB ... its not aimed at you, or anybody in particular.

All i am saying is that we are told its a rule but nobody can tell us either why or when it came into effect or who enforces the rule or who made the rule.
My investigations have all drawn a blank and the rule is not known by all in power of motorcycle racing in NZ.
Paul.

Who actually have you asked?

Rung MNZ, they should/would know because they would be dealing with the guys who do the track inspections?

My understanding is that most tracks are certified by the international bodies and their safety officers (Ie FIA for cars, FIM for bikes) if they are to be used for international events (which most in NZ will have at some point). The guru's look at all sorts of aspects including length and then they stick a number on it.

This # related to their certification or track licence I bet ties into some for of libability insurance and hence the contract.

Manfield would have been inspected numerous times in various guises, including for WSBK over the years.

Hampton downs will no doubt have (or already have had) an inspection by the various bodies at some point or other.

Puke had a FIA (ie car) rep there a year or so ago I understand and it was them who said pull the poxy wall that caused all the problems for bikes, by the pit entry.

For info: Phillip Island at 4.45km is still only limited to 39 starters.

[Clivoris]

My impression, rightly or wrongly that it is about some kind of manfield licencing that Pres Melintino had checked out. Might ask again tomorrow and see if Andrew Jones (steward) knows.

[Racey Rider]

Vic club race days for VIC CLUB MEMBERS.

If your a member of the club, your guaranteed first right into your chosen class.

Outsiders by Bribes and Corruption.

[Clivoris]

Mmmm. Bribes

[Grub]

Forget the Bribes .. what about the corruption? Are raping and pillaging involved?