The failure of capitalism (again)

[98tls]

yeah, vote for the fascists who started the rot

Actually every time i switch the tele on at 6 the first few items make me think fascism had its good points.

[idleidolidyll]

Totally agree!

Hope you read my entire post to know I was on your side...

yes, i read your post but the problem is you don't actually know what my 'side' is

you only know what you think it is

[Coyote]

yes, i read your post but the problem is you don't actually know what my 'side' is

you only know what you think it is

You're against the people in power making the lives of the working class harder?

At least that's the impression I got.

[Mikkel]

Get off your arse, get into politics or somehow do something about the matter, if you feel that strongly about it.

I'm quite happy that someone somewhere has found that they can make money by manufacturing nice motorcycles that I can buy and have fun on.

[davereid]

I dont think any of us want communisn,but socialism is rather different philosophy than that....
Im going to use the remaining few years of the capatalist system to buy all the tools i need to SURVIVE...
Plus if you owe money on everthing you own, is it really yours?

If you owe money is it really yours ? What is capitalisim ? What is socialisim ? What is free trade ?

Idle clearly has strong views, and cares about people, but may mis-understand what he supports.

A PRODUCER
~~~~~~~~~~
Is someone who creates something of value to others, by adding value generally through labour or skill.

So, the guy who takes an empty field, and grows wheat is a producer.

Another Producer, is the guy who takes the wheat, and grinds it in his windmill to make flour.

Next in the chain is the baker. Who takes the wheat, and the yeast from another producer, and makes bread.

Of course he may choose to sell the bread directly to the public.

So could the guy who made the wheat, the flour or the yeast. But they may choose to use

A TRADER
~~~~~~~~
A trader makes nothing, but ADDS value to the producers goods by increasing the potential
market, and helping the producer sell more, at a better price. Once again it is a voluntary
relationship, based on performance. Traders HAVE to perform better than the producer can or
its all over.

A CAPITALIST
~~~~~~~~~~~~
Is a trader or a producer who has accumulated a profit, and can now make money without
DIRECTLY producing or trading.

So a producer wants to produce more. He will RENT CAPITAL for INTEREST off a capitalist. It will
buy an extra paddock, or a bigger tractor. The miller will buy another windmill, renting the
capital required from the captalist.

All this is done without violence. By mutual agreement.
There are no losers. It will self balance,because if one producer charges too much,
he will have no customers, and no investors.

BUT.. all of these people will aspire to dominate the market, and ensure they have no
competition. They can't use violence, only cunning. But they can get there.

So we need rules, to ensure that no single supplier strangles the market.
We need rules.. but not theft by violence.

A SOCIALIST
~~~~~~~~~~~
Recognises that the systems discussed above may result in poverty for those who
dont produce, invest or trade.
Socialists believe that this gives then the right to use violence
to re-distribute wealth, to make those who don't produce, trade or invest
enjoy a comfortable
life style.


They like trade barriers. They like border control (as labour is merely another
tradeable commodity.)

They CARE, but they use violence as an essential tool.

And then they cry, when producers ramp down production, as they don't like being slaves.

[scumdog]

Soooo where do people such as I fit in your list???

[98tls]

Soooo where do people such as I fit in your list???

Speaking as an enviromentalist i abhore your habit of littering our most scenic highways.

[davereid]

Soooo where do people such as I fit in your list???

No one would plant wheat, if they could not ensure they still controlled the land at harvest time.

No one would build a mill, or loan the money either.

Police, and easy access to simple, effective and consistent (uncorrupted) legal process are the basics for productivity.

In Rhodesia, only the legal process has changed... yet it is now a basket case.

[scumdog]

Speaking as an enviromentalist i abhore your habit of littering our most scenic highways.

Frikkin' expensive and shiney 'litter' - but litter eh!

[rainman]

Piss or get off the pot. Ifn’ you don’t want to pay the asking price for what’s on offer then don’t. Best way possible to deny the rabid corporatist their daily bread, starve the bastards. Too hard for ya? Don’t know how to DIY the flash toys? Then STFU.

Harsh. But fair.

[Sanx]

rotflmfao! most of medicines real advances were made in state funded universities! capitalists merely profited from them.

Quote one.

As much as it pains me to agree with Komrade Staliiin here, there have been quite a few medical advances in state-funded universities and hospitals. First heart transplant, in the Groote Schuur Hospital in Western Cape, for instance. First IVF baby born at Oldham and District General Hospital in England and penicillin discovered (admittedly, by chance) at St Mary's hospital in London.

But of course, there have been plenty of discoveries at private research hospitals across the world, notably the John Hopkins School of Medicine in Baltimore, who have turned out discovery after discovery. Capitalism also play its part by taking the initial discoveries and spending billions on research to produce the drugs that we now take for granted; you don't see medical advancement coming out of communist countries to anywhere near the same extent.

But of course, Komrade Staliiin will just spout off some shite about how he didn't mean communism, before going of on some half-arsed vague definition of socialism that differs from everyone else's. Or he'll just ignore the points he can't argue against and hope people don't realise. Or he'll just type in 'yaaaaaaaaww, boooooooring' or some such highly-intelligent response.

Still, Labour's all about helping the disadvantaged and encouraging the terminally-delusional to participate in normal activities is just one way we, the capitalist privileged few, can help the mentally-ill feel like they're a valued part of society, instead of being a pain in the arse.

[Sanx]

yes, i read your post but the problem is you don't actually know what my 'side' is

you only know what you think it is

Yeah, because you never actually state what your side is. You just attack everyone else's position with (at best) half-baked ideas, conspiracy theories, quotations taken out of context, abuse, and complete tripe strung together in barely literate sentences.

State what your side is and what policies you actually support (and by which I mean real policies, not just nebulous statements about protecting the worker from the evils of the capitalist overlords) and you might start to get some intelligent discussion.

Fuck it - why the hell do I bother? Trying to get sense out of this iiidiot is harder than getting blood out of a stone. (Obviously I'm trying to get the blood or a repressed worker out of a stone owned by rich capitalists - goes without saying.)

Fuckwiiit, welcome to an exclusive club. My ignore list. Your presence on my ignore list will be a lonely one, but I'm not entirely sure your ego would be able to co-exist with anyone else.

[Flatcap]

Capitalism is failing society, not just here but everywhere. Labour, the centrist party, won’t make it better. National, the right wingers will make it worse.

Yes - we need a Bonevolent Dictatorship with me at the helm

[Hitcher]

Gahh! Foam, froth, bile, spit and of course pus. Spew and assorted other bodily fluids, including purilent syphilitic exudates. Burn them all now! Spastic fulminations and facial tics. Seething hoardes of barbarians wait at the gate. Fuck them all! Now.

[Oscar]

The failure of capitalism (again)

It’s happening again, capitalism is failing society. Capitalism and free trade, markets, exchanges…they’re all failing society for exactly the reasons they always fail it: they serve the minority, the greedy few.

We don't live in a country, countries have sovereignty. We live in just another commodity to be bought and sold by anyone from anywhere with the money to do so. And we are so damn small there are millions of people out there who can buy us with change left over.
Our businesses, our resources, our sovereignty; it’s all being sold to the very people who manipulate the system to make it easier for themselves to buy the system ad infinitum.

Our farmers sell produce to the rich countries and expect us on lower wages in NZ to pay the same prices. Increasingly those ‘kiwi’ farmers are selling out and the ‘kiwi’ is fading. Like other developed nations our future is Monsanto and the other monopolies, the users without honest social consciences.
Those same companies don’t really want us to be able to afford our food, they need low wages to feed the rich elsewhere.

I ask you, what use is a food export market when your own countrymen can’t afford what you grow? What use is such business to the society it operates in? Dumb shit indeed.

Traders are forcing fuel prices up and at the same time; fleecing the planet of wealth. They’re driving our costs up while multi national and even local companies are driving our wages down on the open market. We compete with foreigners for the scraps off the table.

‘Free trade’ is closer to cheap slavery than social benefit. It allows the greedy rich to buy our arses at a time when we don’t have the power to fight back. Free trade is an abrogation of social responsibility in our nation. Gestures disguised as charity don’t cut it. When they’re driving income down and buying property, resources and control; the charity is a cheap price to pay for 4 million servants.

Markets and exchanges ensure the rich get the best of everything. The kicker is they also manipulate the currency markets to make it easier for themselves to afford the commodities and resources. Sometimes surreptitiously as here where they’re just buying our entire economy, and to places like Iraq where the Yanks actually had the arrogance to draft laws in a foreign sovereign nation donating that economy to foreign corporations in perpetuity!

Capitalism is failing society, not just here but everywhere. Labour, the centrist party, won’t make it better. National, the right wingers will make it worse.

Bend over people, put your head between your legs and kiss your arse goodbye, you’ll soon be property if you’re not already.

Nice rant.
The only problem is that you fail to present any evidence whatsoever to support your theorem.