Gingaa copper part two. The ginga gets gayer!

**Max Preload** · 23rd June 2008, 21:44

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Then if you do it on a big bike with a shitload of lights you could dazzle drivers enough to run into you.

Or at the very least, not see your indicators... and run into you!

**Brett** · 23rd June 2008, 23:05

This thread has just entered *the twilight zone*. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzz

**westie** · 24th June 2008, 08:02

Originally Posted by Brett

This thread has just entered *the twilight zone*.

I agree, what with the inline4 dimension now past.

Looking forward to this weeks atnr. Will be great to catch up with me mate ginga(with a camera) Could be some interesting footage if he graces us with his awesomeness.

**madbikeboy** · 24th June 2008, 08:58

Okay, I've been reading this thread grinding my teeth.

With all the he said / she said bullshit, the point and value has been lost.

This bit is going to start a fistfight. I have ridden the ATNR once, I rode with a good mate who is a responsible guy who owns his own business and has 5 grandchildren. He's an ex-racer, which means that he understands how to ride, and he respects the speed limits, especially at night.

Now, this is documented - on that night I was following my mate, and his very distinctive bike at about 110 kph - he got pulled by Ginga, and he lost his licence for doing well over 140 kph. The disconnect here is the fact that both my mate and I were doing around 110 kph, and the speed wasn't possible. The ticket was appealed, and after discussion and supporting evidence presented, a senior cop pulled the charge (which was the correct thing to do).

It is clearly documented on other threads that this particular cop is breaking the law with his method of policing - there is a channel that should be used, that is the Police Complaints Authority. Instead of whining, pull your heads out your asses, build a case, make a complaint, and follow the process. Get a motorcycle cop to ride with you on the ATNR, document, video, and get ginga fired.

This is the bit that will start the fist fight - I'm no saint, I ride fast when it's safe - but the bullshit that I saw that night makes it clear that a lot of you are reaping what you sow. Do track days instead, it's cheaper, safer, and you'll improve your riding.

**Ragingrob** · 24th June 2008, 10:00

One track day is cheaper than a speeding ticket for only 10kph over the limit

I think.

**Morcs** · 24th June 2008, 10:26

Originally Posted by Ragingrob

One track day is cheaper than a speeding ticket for only 10kph over the limit

I think.

Trackday is $500 easy.

transport, accomadation, gas, tyres, brake pads etc...

**Ragingrob** · 24th June 2008, 10:49

Originally Posted by Morcs

Trackday is $500 easy.

transport, accomadation, gas, tyres, brake pads etc...

I guess maybe on a TL yeah. If people are riding the same as that on the road though then tyres and brake pads etc are getting just as worn if not more. I'm sure I could go to a trackday and pay $90 for the track, $20 for accommodation, and bike wear would be the same as if I was racing on the road.

**Katman** · 24th June 2008, 10:49

Originally Posted by Morcs

Trackday is $500 easy.

transport, accomadation, gas, tyres, brake pads etc...

So you should have been able to fit in at least half a dozen trackdays with the fines that you could have avoided?

**westie** · 24th June 2008, 10:56

Originally Posted by madbikeboy

Okay, I've been reading this thread grinding my teeth.

With all the he said / she said bullshit, the point and value has been lost.

This bit is going to start a fistfight. I have ridden the ATNR once, I rode with a good mate who is a responsible guy who owns his own business and has 5 grandchildren. He's an ex-racer, which means that he understands how to ride, and he respects the speed limits, especially at night.

Now, this is documented - on that night I was following my mate, and his very distinctive bike at about 110 kph - he got pulled by Ginga, and he lost his licence for doing well over 140 kph. The disconnect here is the fact that both my mate and I were doing around 110 kph, and the speed wasn't possible. The ticket was appealed, and after discussion and supporting evidence presented, a senior cop pulled the charge (which was the correct thing to do).

It is clearly documented on other threads that this particular cop is breaking the law with his method of policing - there is a channel that should be used, that is the Police Complaints Authority. Instead of whining, pull your heads out your asses, build a case, make a complaint, and follow the process. Get a motorcycle cop to ride with you on the ATNR, document, video, and get ginga fired.

This is the bit that will start the fist fight - I'm no saint, I ride fast when it's safe - but the bullshit that I saw that night makes it clear that a lot of you are reaping what you sow. Do track days instead, it's cheaper, safer, and you'll improve your riding.

Wow thats pretty out there for even ginga.

Its not disputed that there are some who dont ride/behave very well on the atnr. Most of the time its new riders or those who only ride a couple of times and end up getting caught. I sure made my share of stuff ups too.

One member is going to talk to some biker cops and see if they want to come and check it out.

Good work on making sure you dont pay for something you didn't do.

**Finn** · 24th June 2008, 13:07

Originally Posted by vifferman

Finn! You're back! I thought you'd been abducted by aliens.

I was. It was an incredible experience that I find difficult to discuss. While my recollection is extremely vague, I do remember walking to my letterbox to check the mail and then, all of a sudden WHAM!!! Next thing I know, everything was frozen around me. I couldn't move and the last thing I remember was being surrounded by several ugly beings in grey suits. I regained consciousness several weeks later feeling like I was hit by a train. I was cold, hungry and dehydrated. I could see the scars on my testicles where they had held me down with vice grips and my arse was extremely sensitive from severe trauma. Those pricks at IRD are ruthless I tell yah.

**scumdog** · 24th June 2008, 13:12

Originally Posted by Finn

I was. It was an incredible experience that I find difficult to discuss. my arse was extremely sensitive from severe trauma. Those pricks at IRD are ruthless I tell yah.

Yup.
It's the anal probing that will get you evrytime.

**Kittyhawk** · 24th June 2008, 13:52

Its funny how its always the same ride same spot where riders get pulled up!!!

But you know what? You never hear of any other group rides complaining about cops and road blocks on the forums like this.

HTFU and go through the proper steps to ensure it does not happen time and time again!!! Bitching on here will only provoke the cop more and more.

Interesting to see how many non kb bikers i know already have drawn negative conclusions about this particular ride and have made it clear they will not ride

Seems like too much ego power trips are going on with the whole bikes vs cops on the ride now. When I first started riding ATNR there was none of what there is now, it was fun, good pace and everyone got there safely riding their own ride, now its targeted and cop tainted, the joy of riding is diminshing and the rebellious side is showing. Id rather stay on the cops good side because if I ass off i'll be the one thankful he saved my life at the end of the day.

**westie** · 24th June 2008, 14:26

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

Bitching on here will only provoke the cop more and more.

Lol

**Max Preload** · 24th June 2008, 14:48

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

When I first started riding ATNR there was none of what there is now, it was fun, good pace and everyone got there safely riding their own ride, now its targeted and cop tainted, the joy of riding is diminshing and the rebellious side is showing.

Rebellious or reactionary?

I've been watching this thread and the other one for some time and it seems to me this ginga coont just has it in for motorcyclists regardless of how law abiding they might be. Exactly how he can get 5 number plates from passing, supposedly 140km/h+ speeding, bikes in the dark all while hiding from plain view and stationary (please correct me if I'm wrong about any of those points) is completely beyond my comprehension.

Now, let's get this into perspective: sure, the guys riding might be speeding, even overtaking over yellow lines at times (I won't start ranting about some of the stupid places Transit put yellow lines as a measure against driver stupidity rather than hazards a prudent and competent driver would not be able to foresee - oops too late

). I'm sure they're happy to accept responsibility for any infringement on any particular traffic regulations they might happen to break. But if this ginga cop is doing what some say he is and just making shit up, that is far worse and he needs to be made accountable. After all, he's breaking the oath he swore (particularly the bit ..."without favour or affection, malice or ill-will...") and they're just infringing on a mere regulation. It's really a question of integrity vs a bit of organised tom foolery.

Originally Posted by Kittyhawk

Id rather stay on the cops good side because if I ass off i'll be the one thankful he saved my life at the end of the day.

That's a pretty spurious conclusion.