The Evil Bastards come out of hiding again

[puppykicker]

this is exactly like arguing with edbear in the religious thread. great fun i must say.

look, now the little man is advocating corporal punishment in schools!

BTW, how many children have you raised?

helped with 2, never beat them, got the odd smack here and there and no doubt will continue to, and noone will get arrested because the change DOESNT MAKE DISCIPLINE ILLEGAL YOU THICK SKULLED MORON

how come rantydave came in here and knew exactly what i was talking about, and yet you cant get it after this many posts? youre willfully ignorant, its actually a bit sad. this is why your generation has done so much damage to the world, you arent interested in the truth, just pushing your silly little OH NOES SOCIALISM!!1!ONE agenda

[devnull]

this is exactly like arguing with edbear in the religious thread. great fun i must say.

look, now the little man is advocating corporal punishment in schools!

Sorry kid, I was serving in the military when your idea of night life was the muppet show...
Corporal punishment isn't a bad idea... again that view is backed by scientific research, rather than a tofu overdose

helped with 2, never beat them, got the odd smack here and there and no doubt will continue to, and noone will get arrested because the change DOESNT MAKE DISCIPLINE ILLEGAL YOU THICK SKULLED MORON

how come rantydave came in here and knew exactly what i was talking about, and yet you cant get it after this many posts? youre willfully ignorant, its actually a bit sad. this is why your generation has done so much damage to the world, you arent interested in the truth, just pushing your silly little OH NOES SOCIALISM!!1!ONE agenda

That's illegal... But it also answers one question. You aren't a parent, have not raised a child, and have no idea what you're talking about.
You've never seen your child born, sat for weeks with them in an intensive care unit, fed them at odd hours, learned that sleep is a luxury...

Parental control

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(1) Every parent of a child and every person in the place of a parent of the child is justified in using force if the force used is reasonable in the circumstances and is for the purpose of—
o

(a) preventing or minimising harm to the child or another person; or
o

(b) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in conduct that amounts to a criminal offence; or
o

(c) preventing the child from engaging or continuing to engage in offensive or disruptive behaviour; or
o

(d) performing the normal daily tasks that are incidental to good care and parenting.

(2) Nothing in subsection (1) or in any rule of common law justifies the use of force for the purpose of correction.

(3) Subsection (2) prevails over subsection (1).

(4) To avoid doubt, it is affirmed that the Police have the discretion not to prosecute complaints against a parent of a child or person in the place of a parent of a child in relation to an offence involving the use of force against a child, where the offence is considered to be so inconsequential that there is no public interest in proceeding with a prosecution.

Subsection (1) was substituted, as from 23 July 1990, by section 28(2) Education Amendment Act 1990 (1990 No 60).

Subsection (3) was inserted, as from 23 July 1990, by section 28(3) Education Amendment Act 1990 (1990 No 60).

Section 59 was substituted, as from 21 June 2007, by section 5 Crimes (Substituted Section 59) Amendment Act 2007 (2007 No 18).

Looks pretty illegal, doesn't it?
Pay particular attention to subsection 2, then ask an adult to explain it to you

[howdamnhard]

[QUOTE=RantyDave;1619318]Apparently 300,000 evil bastards have signed a petition
Geee I must be an evil bastard.

[MisterD]

And here lies one of the more amazing things about the whole debacle. This is not some huge sweeping change bought down by an oppressive government. This is a second tier MP in a second tier party

Come off it Dave, this was a government bill - all part of the smoke and mirrors of the dog's breakfast that is MMP.

[MisterD]

this is exactly like arguing with edbear in the religious thread. great fun i must say.

Er, no.
1) I believe Devnull is presenting stuff usally referred to as evidence for his position.

2) I'm on the other side here.

[puppykicker]

Sorry kid, I was serving in the military when your idea of night life was the muppet show...
Corporal punishment isn't a bad idea... again that view is backed by scientific research, rather than a tofu overdose

OH NOES SOCIALISM!!1! no wonder you're such a big man

That's illegal... But it also answers one question. You aren't a parent, have not raised a child, and have no idea what you're talking about.
You've never seen your child born, sat for weeks with them in an intensive care unit, fed them at odd hours, learned that sleep is a luxury...

right, so once i know the love and devotion of having a child, ill want to beat them too

Looks pretty illegal, doesn't it?
Pay particular attention to subsection 2, then ask an adult to explain it to you

(4) To avoid doubt, it is affirmed that the Police have the discretion not to prosecute complaints against a parent of a child or person in the place of a parent of a child in relation to an offence involving the use of force against a child, where the offence is considered to be so inconsequential that there is no public interest in proceeding with a prosecution.

national got that added for idiots like you, to try and shut you up. it is technically illegal for me to slap my partner on the ass, its also technically illegal to jay walk, smoke inside at a business even when closed, swear or yell in public etc. etc. etc. all things people do every single day and noone really minds. the laws exist to prevent more serious crimes. like child abuse.

if you dont trust the police and the courts to get this right, then how can you possibly advocate corporal punishment?

[puppykicker]

Er, no.
1) I believe Devnull is presenting stuff usally referred to as evidence for his position.

2) I'm on the other side here.

so was edbear, his was bullshit, and devnulls is irrelevant. hes arguing a strawman, OH NOES SOCIALISM!!1!

[devnull]

Still waiting for answers to previous questions...

So, please state
a) How many times was the original S.59 used in court as a defence since 1961?
b) How many times did a jury agree?
c) What, if any, research has ever been undertaken that supports your view in any way whatsoever?
d) If the answer in c) is none, what makes you think that others should live their lives according to your opinions?

Plus another...

Name one case where Bradford's bill successfully prevented child abuse

Wish I was young again... then I'd know everything too

[pzkpfw]

This kid with an L plate on an FXR150 (?) was being a dork in Tawa today.

I wanted to smack him.

[awayatc]

Something to sum up this thread:Quote:
"Private Jenkins!" yelled the Captain. "Get over here
immediately, there's something you need to see!"

"Right away, sir!" Jenkins shouted back, crossing the open area
in the center of their camp at a double march.

"You see these tracks, Jenkins?" the Captain asked, neither
requesting nor expecting a reply. He continued, "And that smell?
Private Jenkins! Are you paying attention to me!?"

"Sir, I am positively brimming with attention, I assure you."

"Don't be a smart-ass, Jenkins."

"I blame my parents, sir."

"Don't we all, Jenkins. Don't we all." the Captain sighed. "Tell
me, Jenkins, in light of my on-going efforts to provide you with what
we in the army like to call An Edjukayshun, what creature leaves
tracks like these, accompanied by such a horrific stench?"

"A troll, sir?" Jenkins replied cautiously.

"Bang on, Private Jenkins. Nicely done. A troll. You must be on
your guard at all times. They are Very Very Nasty." the Captain
warned.

"But what shall I do if this creature attacks me? Shall I feign
death? Shall I hurl pomegranates, in the manner so effectively
demonstrated by you last week when we were assaulted by nuns in the
market?" asked Jenkins, noticably agitated.

"No no," the Captain replied, "pomegranates will just make
things worse, and feigning death is a bit extreme under the
circumstances. Mark my words, boy, if you are ever confronted by a
troll, there is only one thing you can do..."

"Tell me, tell me!" pleaded Jenkins, interrupting.

"You must ignore him. The troll feeds on attention, Jenkins.
Ignore him and he will die. It will not be pleasant. You will be
tempted to watch the squirming, the cries of agony will reach deep
down into your underpants and grab you by the ... well, you get the
idea, Jenkins. Trust me: ignore the troll, be strong, and perhaps you
will live to hurl pomegranates at nuns another day."

"Thank you, sir. It is truly an honour to serve with you."

"You're right about that, Private. Dismissed"

You were spot on ....do yoursef a favour and Ignore all puppykickers....Don't dignify their insignificance with any sort of answer.
The computer keyboard is their only connection with humanity, take that away and "it" will retreat again to the obscurity where it belongs.

[devnull]

You were spot on ....do yoursef a favour and Ignore all puppykickers....Don't dignify their insignificance with any sort of answer.
The computer keyboard is their only connection with humanity, take that away and "it" will retreat again to the obscurity where it belongs.

So true...

[Disco Dan]

My name is Evil Bastard.

Pleased to meet you.

Another fellow evil bastard

[Hinny]

Another fellow evil bastard

Is that 'cos you are a Pom?
I have noticed that violence is ingrained into English society almost as much as in US society.

Glad I don't live in either of those countries.
Maybe that is an option for those that don't like the society we have here or the society we will have.
Emigrate!

The country is overpopulated and we should employ the fifo principle to further societal harmony.

(fifo = fit in or fuck off)

[Disco Dan]

Is that 'cos you are a Pom?
I have noticed that violence is ingrained into English society almost as much as in US society.

Glad I don't live in either of those countries.
Maybe that is an option for those that don't like the society we have here or the society we will have.
Emigrate!

The country is overpopulated and we should employ the fifo principle to further societal harmony.

(fifo = fit in or fuck off)

So what about the (now) rubbish education system? The children no longer have any respect for the teaching staff now that corporal punishment is outlawed.

i firmly believe that children require discipline - the generation brought up with the cane are far better members of the community than those without.

[Hinny]

So what about the (now) rubbish education system? The children no longer have any respect for the teaching staff now that corporal punishment is outlawed.

i firmly believe that children require discipline - the generation brought up with the cane are far better members of the community than those without.

From my experience that is a popular misconception.
My kids are far more socially advanced than any of my peers were at the same age. The teachers with the more relaxed approach always got the best results.
Our teachers used to beat us with a ferocity that would probably see them locked up today. 6 of the best left 6 bleeding welts.Did that make me respect the perpetrator? The hell it did.
The kids I grew up with that the strictest discipline became the worst.
The children I have seen grow up since reflect the same outcomes. Those with the toughest treatment became the worst. Maybe because of all that beating of their heads. I suspect that is because those parents were too lazy to bend down to smack their bums. Heads are at hand height.
You can't beat respect into kids. They may do as you want them to out of fear. This is clearly a sub-optimal approach.
To try and get social harmony out of fear results in a fucked up society. There are plenty of examples to confirm this.