Hydrogen generator?

[ukbandit]

The theroy goes that the hydrogen-oxygen gas mixture acts like a fuel scavanger just like the old lead used to in leaded fuel. This promotes better or more complete combustion and hence higher fuel efficiency. It goes without saying that the electrical energy used to crack water is the same released when the gasses are burnt, when you take into account the overall efficiency of a petrol motor running a 12v generator is likely to be less than 20%, well you can see that its not going to work for long.
There may some merit in the suggestion that the gasses promote better fossil fuel to energy conversion.
I too are thinking about building a jar and trying it out on my old trusty V8 landrover. It would be nice to try this out in a vehicle with a fuel flow sensor so you could turn the power to the jar off and on to see what the actual instantaneous reduction in l/km is.

DDDDDOOOOOOO IIITTTTTTTT!! have fun

[teamsuperoxide]

the last line of this is exactly what im after! i dont expect miracles just some improvement. any one know where i can get inline check valve for this to stop flash back to the generator? plastic, cheap ,10mm or so fitting

You're assuming that the generation of H2 via electrolysis is 100% efficient which I'm sad to say is far far from the truth. You're going to run at a loss.

[Skyryder]

I once developed a razor blade so sharp that you could divide the hydrogen from the oxygen but the men in black coats came round and pinched my 'whetstone.' Bastards.

Skyryder

[Street Gerbil]

I think that running a petrol motor whether partly or fully on hydrogen is outright dangerous, however adding acetone vapors to the air at the intake may just do the trick (acetone boosts the octane rating and increases the burn temperature, thus giving more energy and cleaner burn).

[Swoop]

A chap at work has downloaded a set of plans for a project such as this. I am trying to keep up with what he has done so far (getting components machined and ready) as this is quite interesting.
He has decided to use his V6 Holden as the test-bed.

[ukbandit]

You're assuming that the generation of H2 via electrolysis is 100% efficient which I'm sad to say is far far from the truth. You're going to run at a loss.

i think you are missing the point here. when you run your engine you are useing about 20% of your fuel to move the thing the rest is wasted in heat and out the tail pipe. what im doing is trying to boost the fuel mix so that it burns more efficently so produces more power for the same amount of petrol, this will mean you dont have to put your hoof down so much to go the same speed. i know there is nothing 100% efficient but it makes sense that if petrol is only about (dont quote me on this ) 20% efficient and hydrogen is about 60-80% efficient when burnt then adding the 2 together must give you some improvement on your perfomence. all you are doing is using abit more current from your alternator to produce the gas, you may lose a couple of gg's from the engine but not enough to make it a negative exersise. once i have this going i will post the resuslt either good or bad. im not going to lead you guys on just to save face. by the way i wont be here this weekend going to mars in my new space ship runs on potato peel and BS. have fun

[peasea]

hi guys, i have been tinkering with the idea of water for a fuel supplement
for the past couple of months.i have made good progress and hope to get all the parts this weekend for the build as i have only been useing glass jars so far and want plastic construction and fit it in my ute. have any of you tried this stuff out. once i get it right i want to make a small one for my bike, love to hear about your experiments and outcome.

I've tried water as a supplement for all sorts of things but my biggest sin was supplementing Jim Beam with water. Not only did it dilute the distillate, it diluted my perception of reality. My hyrdrogen-capable preserving jar caught fire after I exercised discretion and released wind into it (so as to not offend the female I had ensnared in front of the romantic, albeit blazing, fire) and my marshmallows melted onto her pubic mound.

Nup; give me gasoline any day. It also kills the lice.

[XP@]

Interesting...

I have managed to get a small (ok tiny) flame from a couple of jars and 2* 14.4v cordless drill batteries.

I'm off to pommy land for a month at the weekend, but when I am back I have an R100GS which is going to become a hybrid...

Is it possible to beef up the charging system to cope with some additional batteries? Being a big beemer, it will carry a lot so i am not adverse to carrying a few extra batteries (up to 4 reasonable sized ones will fit in the panniers). If they could give say 50km's (my daily) with a higher output and I used wind/solar/hydro... to recharge the batteries at night.

Can the alternator be improved on?
Is it feasable to add an additional regulator/rectifier for charging the fuel batteries off a different circuit?

I've also made a loose goal to be the first to do a Rusty Nuts 1000miler on a hybrid bike.

[cs363]

A mate of mine has been tinkering with this set up too and has had his car running on it (as a supplemental system) the gas is oxyhydrogen or hydroxy which apparently is more stable than hydrogen - here are the websites he sent me on it for those interested:

www.runyourcarwithwater.com
http://water4gas.com
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydroxy_gas

I must catch up with him and see how its all working (or if he's chernobyled his car...) lol. I don't pretend to understand all this rocket science but if the claims of 20-30% fuel savings are to be believed it could be worth a crack....

[davereid]

Water vapour is (molecule for molecule) the worst greenhouse gas, and one of the most common.

Water IMHO should be banned, thus saving the planet.

[cs363]

My theory is that all the tree huggers are causing greenhouse gasses by squeezing the trees and making them fart....thereby causing the whole issue...

Then again, as stated earlier - I'm not a scientist

[pzkpfw]

My theory is that all the tree huggers are causing greenhouse gasses by squeezing the trees and making them fart....thereby causing the whole issue...

Then again, as stated earlier - I'm not a scientist

I reckon it's all the environmentalists pissing in the wind.

[ManDownUnder]

My theory is that all the tree huggers are causing greenhouse gasses by squeezing the trees and making them fart....thereby causing the whole issue...

Then again, as stated earlier - I'm not a scientist

Are you guys dumb - green house gases come from Green Houses! Paint them any other colour and they're fine.

[cs363]

Are you guys dumb - green house gases come from Green Houses! Paint them any other colour and they're fine.

You could get a job as a government advisor.....

Anyway, what's all the fuss....global warming is great: a few degrees more ambient temperature, desert road not closed as often, beaches will be closer to home....there are so many advantages...

[ManDownUnder]

Anyway, what's all the fuss....global warming is great: a few degrees more ambient temperature, desert road not closed as often, beaches will be closer to home....there are so many advantages...

Yes but it upsets the PC brigade and the Politicians... which makes it something we should have done a lot sooner!