Cage license restrictions?

[Yokai]

I went out with this chick from the UK and she wouldn't parallel park because it wasn't in the license test so she never learnt how. They do however know how to reverse around a corner from in a side street onto a main carriage way. Why, I don't know, but they do.

AFAIK, they also have specific licenses fro autos vs manuals. Anyone want to verify that?

No parallel parking on my test - I can still do it though... it's not difficult - if she can't do it someone show her how!
Reversing around a corner from a main into a sidestreet.
If you have an automatic license you are not allowed to drive a manual. The converse is not true.

I'm a pom.*ducks*

[Krayy]

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Reversing around a corner from a main into a sidestreet.
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Oh, I thought it was practice for when you miss the motorway off-ramp and had to reverse to get back to it

[Ghost Lemur]

I'd still like to see <18y.o's forced to have a bike <= 150cc, till they turn 18, then can progress to a slightly bigger bike, or a car (both p/w ratio regulated, rather than just cc). Then they can get what they want >=20. Obviously a time frame could be in place with adult learners.

Would also like drivers to be registered (ie acc levies, etc) rather than vehicles. That way those with more than one vehicle aren't disadvantaged the way they are now.
This would have an added benefit of meaning something like an annual licence fee could be brought in (in place of current reg). The added benefits would be in that their could be discounts if you'd done an accredited course/training in the prior 12 months (good incentive to increase skill base). On the otherside of things, there could be increased costs if you've had an at fault accident, drink driving conviction (ever or in the past 12 months, 5 years, etc), increased cost based on demerits incurred in the prior 12 months.

Obviously a bit of investment would be required in the areas of training establishments etc. But the return on better drivers would be well worth the effort.

[NC]

8 hundy automatic daihatsu moves

[Posh Tourer :P]

There probably ought to be a kw/kg limit..... Hard to police though?

As Hitcher said, lets teach people to drive properly, and not rely on parents to teach their kids how to drive well. It'll cost us all more to get licences, but it'll cost the country less in road straightening and deaths......

[Posh Tourer :P]

I'd still like to see <18y.o's forced to have a bike <= 150cc, till they turn 18, then can progress to a slightly bigger bike, or a car (both p/w ratio regulated, rather than just cc). Then they can get what they want >=20. Obviously a time frame could be in place with adult learners.

No, it seems arbitrarily picked as to what is an adult... Why not just have a time frame based system that would ensure no-one gets a full until they are 20 anyway, eg start at 18 with the present system, or 17 and extend the system?

Would also like drivers to be registered (ie acc levies, etc) rather than vehicles. That way those with more than one vehicle aren't disadvantaged the way they are now.
This would have an added benefit of meaning something like an annual licence fee could be brought in (in place of current reg). The added benefits would be in that their could be discounts if you'd done an accredited course/training in the prior 12 months (good incentive to increase skill base). On the otherside of things, there could be increased costs if you've had an at fault accident, drink driving conviction (ever or in the past 12 months, 5 years, etc), increased cost based on demerits incurred in the prior 12 months.

Obviously a bit of investment would be required in the areas of training establishments etc. But the return on better drivers would be well worth the effort.

Good idea.... would put lasting financial consequences on having accidents, could be a good incentive not to?

[Jamezo]

Power to weight steps, + competency based training that is part of the school curriculum as per the US. Include basic physics and chemistry as part of the driver training, so people understand F=ma properly, and what happens to long-chain molecules that are continuously under stress.

I would rather they be schooled in the matter of how velocity relates to energy, Ek = 1/2 MV² , ie. a car traveling at 200km/h has 4 times the energy of a car traveling at 100km/h.

followed by a violent demonstration of being hit in the head by two identical rocks, one traveling at 10km/h, then another at 20km/h.

[James Deuce]

I would rather they be schooled in the matter of how velocity relates to energy, Ek = 1/2 MV² , ie. a car traveling at 200km/h has 4 times the energy of a car traveling at 100km/h.

followed by a violent demonstration of being hit in the head by two identical rocks, one traveling at 10km/h, then another at 20km/h.

Meh. Another redundant argument.

Beware the wrath of my banana!

[NC]

Beware the wrath of my banana!

EW CRUST!!

[Motu]

As Hitcher said, lets teach people to drive properly, and not rely on parents to teach their kids how to drive well. It'll cost us all more to get licences, but it'll cost the country less in road straightening and deaths......

I taught myself to drive...bought a Morris Minor and just drove around for years with no licence,a 38 Chev Coupe,then when I finaly got my licence I was driving an 18 cwt International truck.

Taught both my daughters to drive,my younger girl got her learners on her 15th birthday,so did my wife.Lots of ways to do it - not doing it by the book doesn't make you a bad driver....

[Posh Tourer :P]

Lots of ways to do it - not doing it by the book doesn't make you a bad driver....

Read it again. What I said was lets not RELY on parents to teach good driving habits....
Doing it by the book at least gives you a guaranteed standard...

[SuperDave]

I reckon they should be restricted just like we are. It actually makes more sense in the case of a car because fuck ups in a car are way more likely to include injury and or death to other road users and innocents, way more so than a bike accident.

I know I made that claim without factual basis, but I'm pretty sure its the case. If I'm wrong and there is evidence to prove otherwise, please correct me.

[danb]

If they can do it for bikes they can do it for cars.
I have a 89 1.3 Toyota Corolla and it does me fine - all I need.
Anything bigger is a waits of money on the car and fuel.

[danb]

I shall go back to this post...

A 2 litre limit sounds alright to me, 1600cc limit would be stupid. I drive a 2L Mazda 626 and it's sluggish as hell. Keep in mind cars weigh a fuck load. A power to weight ratio would work best, for my friends in their 1.6's could waste me of the line, but under a broad 2000cc limit I wouldn't be able to drive my car even with it being slower.

Who cares if the car is sluggish - for someone under 20 and Learner + Restricted Licence holders, as long as they can learn safety and get from A to B its fine.

There is allot of cars less than 1.6 and they cope fine on the roads so why shouldn’t Learner else be able to cope.

Having a loud exhaust, turbo’s, fart off valves, lowering is crazy, It is just driving the "Normal" people of this county insane with the noise and putting students into further debt.

I paid 2700 for my car, had the money borrowed of my parents for a few months as I was getting less than $100 a week back then.
I have a friend now who has a shitty job, has a $9000 car and will be paying it back for years with plenty of interest and high petrol costs. By the time he wants to sell it, it will probably be less than half of what he brought it for.
SO CRAZY

[Lou Girardin]

The only thing that'll work is a power/weight ratio restriction, as it should be with bikes. Then learners could ride things like Sporties and Gooses (Geese?) Even a 1600cc unmodified turbo cage is too quick for a noobie.