Is this for real?

[smokeyging]

Weren't the Moriori here first???????? "Invaded" by Maori, who came 2nd, then white man comes along 3rd? And who pays whom??????

What have the Moriori got now? Ummmmm

Arrmmmm......No heads?..........

[Patrick]

Yea but who benefits from all this land being given back and 1/2 billon $ payouts,i dont that i can understand but funnily enough i am yet to meet a single Maori bloke that has.Certainly none of the guys i work with has seen a cent of it nor any of the blokes ive ever talked to down the local boozer on a friday night has ever had a letter in the mail telling them congrats you are the proud part owner blah blah.Somebody must but who?

Tainui investied in the Warriors League Team... Now that was money well spent.... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Accountability only applies to .... Ummmm...... Oops....

[Zuki Bandit]

All this pc bullshit and special treatment does is build walls between races. Fair enough, be aware of what has happened in the past but there will be no moving forward as a nation if one race gets special rights over another.
And as for ownership of a country? What a load of fuckin shit.

[Steam]

Weren't the Moriori here first???????? "Invaded" by Maori, who came 2nd, then white man comes along 3rd?

Nah, people used to think the Moriori were a completely different race, but archaeological stuff and research and shit showed they were just another tribe of Maoris.
Certain sectors of the European population like to keep the myth going that the Moriori were another race, in order to make themselves feel better about fucking over the Maori.
"Ah the Maori kicked the Moriori's arses, so what's wrong with us doing it to the Maori, eh?"

[98tls]

Nah, people used to think the Moriori were a completely different race, but archaeological stuff and research and shit showed they were just another tribe of Maoris.
Certain sectors of the European population like to keep the myth going that the Moriori were another race, in order to make themselves feel better about fucking over the Maori.
"Ah the Maori kicked the Moriori's arses, so what's wrong with us doing it to the Maori, eh?"

So it must be a myth that they were given 6 millon 2 weeks ago for research.

[PirateJafa]

Tainui investied in the Warriors League Team... Now that was money well spent.... NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Accountability only applies to .... Ummmm...... Oops....

Zigactly. You can only shake your head in dismay.

Weren't the Moriori here first???????? "Invaded" by Maori, who came 2nd, then white man comes along 3rd? And who pays whom??????

What have the Moriori got now? Ummmmm

Unfortunately Patrick, the "Moriori were wiped out out by the savage Maori" story is almost certainly just a popular urban legend.

However, the other points are still valid.

Hell, we have treated (pampered?) the "indigenous" people (God I hate speaking like we are separate races, rather than "New Zealanders") more than most countries throughout the world. North Americans, Aboriginesyou name it the list goes on. All royally fucked over. The Maori have had it light in comparison. Hell, they have damn near won the Lotto in comparison.

Sure, it was wrong. But it has been well and truely paid back. And holding grudges never did anyone any good.

I'm sure you'd love our country to turn into Zimbabwe v2.0 Steam.

[Steam]

So it must be a myth that they were given 6 millon 2 weeks ago for research.

There's some of them still around, they're not all wiped out. Descended from Ngai Tahu apparently, they went to the Chathams about the year 1500.

[mark247]

Nah, people used to think the Moriori were a completely different race, but archaeological stuff and research and shit showed they were just another tribe of Maoris.
Certain sectors of the European population like to keep the myth going that the Moriori were another race, in order to make themselves feel better about fucking over the Maori.
"Ah the Maori kicked the Moriori's arses, so what's wrong with us doing it to the Maori, eh?"

Well that is kinda a weak arguement. New Zealanders and Australians are the same race also, so if they come over and wipe us out, that is just fine?

[Steam]

Sure, it was wrong. But it has been well and truely paid back.

That's really easy to say when you're on the top of the pile, and less easy to say if every day you see the grandchildren of thieves living on the land their grandfathers stole from you.
No, there's still hundreds of thousands of hectares of land that was illegally confiscated.

[ajturbo]

Came across it on teletext last night.

dam... my ESP is playing up again...
(wow you have hit a sore note for some people..hahahaha)

[PirateJafa]

That's really easy to say when you're on the top of the pile, and less easy to say if every day you see the grandchildren of thieves living on the land their grandfathers stole from you.
No, there's still hundreds of thousands of hectares of land that was illegally confiscated.

Or maybe not. I've had to work my arse off to put myself through university with no student debt and no outside help (scholarship, family etc), so now I'm a working man, I'm happy to reap a bit of what I spent so many years planting.

How many Maori do you actually know Steam? Are you just a armchair-activist? Because that is what you sound like. Speaking from personal knowledge and experience, I do not know a single Maori who is resentful and whinges about "stolen land" etc. Those who are willing to put in a day of hard work Monday to Friday get rewarded for it. They lead successful, moderately happy lives (which is all any of us can ask for), and pretty much unanimously agree that those who are willing to work, thrive. And I have seen the truth of this.

It's all in your attitude. You want to bludge and freeload, then you bitch. You want to work and better your lot, then you improve.

You just need to be willing to put a bit of work in, and that is the crux of the issue.

[Max Preload]

Cool, well if you want home-grown terrorist groups and another hundred years of upset and controversy, that's the right attitude.

They're too bone idle to ever get organised enough to be a terrorist threat.

[98tls]

dam... my ESP is playing up again...
(wow you have hit a sore note for some people..hahahaha)

Seems so,bit of red shit being flung my wayreally devastated :laugh.Since time began people have been making agreements breaking agreements conquering others blah blah blah so what makes what happened here so special? Its real easy for people to sit and tap out racist blah blah blah,nothing to do with it i dont give a fuck what colour/race someone is i want to know like i just said whats so special about what happened here and who benefits from all the hand outs,every Maori i know says the same thing "not me"

[firefighter]

Course they did. I don't know if you noticed, but they owned the whole country before Europeans came visiting. Just like we would have if we'd gotten here first or conquered them. But we didn't, we signed a binding treaty with them in return for letting us settle here. It was a good treaty for both sides, until the government started breaking it and ignoring it. Now it's payback time.

yep, and they ate the people who owned it before them

[Steam]

Or maybe not. I've had to work my arse off to put myself through university with no student debt and no outside help (scholarship, family etc), so now I'm a working man, I'm happy to reap a bit of what I spent so many years planting.

How many Maori do you actually know Steam? Are you just a armchair-activist? Because that is what you sound like. Speaking from personal knowledge and experience, I do not know a single Maori who is resentful and whinges about "stolen land" etc. Those who are willing to put in a day of hard work Monday to Friday get rewarded for it. They lead successful, moderately happy lives (which is all any of us can ask for), and pretty much unanimously agree that those who are willing to work, thrive. And I have seen the truth of this.

It's all in your attitude. You want to bludge and freeload, then you bitch. You want to work and better your lot, then you improve.

You just need to be willing to put a bit of work in, and that is the crux of the issue.

That's very nice.
None of which changes the fact that a treaty was signed, a treaty was broken, and land which was stolen hasn't been returned to the original owners.

It's so profoundly simple. It's as simple as Hone getting his car stolen;
"Hey, you stole my car! Give it back!" says Hone.
No matter how many people have the opinion that bygones should be bygones, and we should all forgive and forget and be "one people, one nation", Hone's car is still stolen, someone else is still driving it, and it is crystal clear from the legal documents and history that it is Hone's car.