Is this for real?

**Patrick** · 29th June 2008, 17:51

Originally Posted by peasea

And what about the Dutch? Or even the Spanish? Where are the aliens? I think we should wind up the economy, pay out everything we have, declare NZ bankrupt and start over.....on an even keel. See who survives in the REAL world, a world without handouts, benefits and dodgey grants.

More like, was the chicken or the egg first?

Like the "reset button" call though ...

**Patrick** · 29th June 2008, 17:52

Originally Posted by PirateJafa

Please note my quantifier!

I did - not a dig at ya, just a point on that point only....

**peasea** · 29th June 2008, 18:41

Originally Posted by Patrick

More like, was the chicken or the egg first?

Like the "reset button" call though ...

So many people truly think that life HAS a reset button, which is the sad part.

**Robert Taylor** · 29th June 2008, 18:53

Originally Posted by Steam

Course they did. I don't know if you noticed, but they owned the whole country before Europeans came visiting. Just like we would have if we'd gotten here first or conquered them. But we didn't, we signed a binding treaty with them in return for letting us settle here. It was a good treaty for both sides, until the government started breaking it and ignoring it. Now it's payback time.

Its an inconvenient truth that actually they werent the first ones here...........

**sAsLEX** · 29th June 2008, 18:56

Originally Posted by Steam

Ignoring the treaty is illegal.

The treaty is legally binding, between one race and another. We are not one nation, one race of people. You may like to think that, but it's wishful thinking.

A lot of people on this site were issued " Lifetime " licenses. Funny thing happened a few years back, they changed the law. Guess why? As they realised the old one was outdated.

Hell, not too long ago you could go abo hunting. And guess what? They changed that law as well!

When will finally take a step forward and realise that NZ is approaching the 21st century and we need to move on?

**kiwifruit** · 29th June 2008, 19:00

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**firefighter** · 29th June 2008, 19:04

IMO I think the european (which probably makes up more than 65% of the blood of the maori who have made claims) part of those who have recieved money/land etc should pay my little bit of maori in me, my share of the handouts........I bet that is hard to decipher but when you figure out what I mean you'll realise it's all bulshit, there's no full blooded maoris and they ALL have EUROPEAN ancestry somewhere......so theoretically they themselves owe themselves land!..... and me some land!! so we can all sit a circle passing documents to each other, becuase somewhere in all our bloodwork we all "owe" each other land!!!! because really, now no-one is entitled to fkn anything other than what's already done, and what youvé paid the title for....AND to the di*ks who think they are owed something......you owe your parents......why? because they have more maori in them than you do!!!

**EJT** · 29th June 2008, 20:24

Originally Posted by firefighter

there's no full blooded maoris and they ALL have EUROPEAN ancestry somewhere......

Shit - the Royals mustn't be able to call themselves English because of their German blood. How many pure Scots are there? Or Irish? On your reasoning do they have a right to call themselves Scots etc?

As for those moaning about 150 years having passed - Maori have been fighting for 150 years for justice. Not their fault it took so long. And as usual the crap about Tainui and the Warriors gets dragged up again. No mention that Tainui is doing really well at the moment - or that countless billions more of taxpayer money has been spent bailing out BNZ, Air NZ, NZ Rail, Think Big.... Or does race only come into play when dodgy business decisions involve Maori.

**sAsLEX** · 29th June 2008, 20:31

Originally Posted by EJT

Or does race only come into play when dodgy business decisions involve Maori.

Nah, the Cook Islanders are raping our tax money as well..........

**98tls** · 29th June 2008, 20:39

Originally Posted by EJT

Shit - the Royals mustn't be able to call themselves English because of their German blood. How many pure Scots are there? Or Irish? On your reasoning do they have a right to call themselves Scots etc?

As for those moaning about 150 years having passed - Maori have been fighting for 150 years for justice. Not their fault it took so long. And as usual the crap about Tainui and the Warriors gets dragged up again. No mention that Tainui is doing really well at the moment - or that countless billions more of taxpayer money has been spent bailing out BNZ, Air NZ, NZ Rail, Think Big.... Or does race only come into play when dodgy business decisions involve Maori.

I see your point but (again) can someone tell me who is benefitting from the land being given back and all the payouts,once again this thread wasnt started as some kind of racial fuck fest i just want to know who benefits cause ive met plenty of Maori in my time and not one has seen a cent.

**inlinefour** · 29th June 2008, 21:08

Originally Posted by Steam

That's very nice.
None of which changes the fact that a treaty was signed, a treaty was broken, and land which was stolen hasn't been returned to the original owners.

It's so profoundly simple. It's as simple as Hone getting his car stolen;
"Hey, you stole my car! Give it back!" says Hone.
No matter how many people have the opinion that bygones should be bygones, and we should all forgive and forget and be "one people, one nation", Hone's car is still stolen, someone else is still driving it, and it is crystal clear from the legal documents and history that it is Hone's car.

Hey Bro! Hone brought that car from the Pakeha and now that he has got the land back that he used to pay for it, you still think he deserves the bloody car back???

**sAsLEX** · 29th June 2008, 21:31

Here is a question for Steam.

Have you ever climbed Mt Tarawera?

**avgas** · 29th June 2008, 21:42

Originally Posted by Steam

That's really easy to say when you're on the top of the pile, and less easy to say if every day you see the grandchildren of thieves living on the land their grandfathers stole from you.
No, there's still hundreds of thousands of hectares of land that was illegally confiscated.

Ain't war grand - kinda sux that it didn't end that way.
While i do understand your reasoning, and i agree anything the govt can do to help them out would be great............... its the classic "not in my back yard" thing.
I would be a very cold dark day in hell before i handed my land to anyone, so i understand the hard feelings. But likewise i would be the bigger man and move on - have done in the past and will in the future.
So no i do not support whiners. There are too many Maori out their that have moved on and made a life for themselves - regardless of what happened to their forefathers. How to you tell them their struggle was in vain?

**avgas** · 29th June 2008, 21:57

Originally Posted by Sanx

Does this mean I, as a native of Iceni lands, can now seek compensation from the Romans? I wasn't around at the time, sure, but that doesn't seem to stop any current-day Maori from demanding money, land and extra privilege.

It will never stick - your not black enough.......name a white race that claimed they were hard done by, underdog if you will and actually got compensation. Shit if it worked that way my family could have claimed for over 1000 years of hardship from the high and mighty of Europe. Seeing as my family name (since it was written) directly translates to slave.