Been waiting for that to be resealed!Originally Posted by rickstv
Whore of the Forumz.
Been waiting for that to be resealed!
Weekend cruiser
Hey guys special guest appearance tonight. me. 6.30 at westgagate shell? black yammy 250.
Whore of the Forumz.
Yep that's the one mate. Good to have Taupoian with us!
Pootler
Good to meet ya Nick. Hope you had a good ride.
Weekend cruiser
cheers mate and you too. It was good to see the extremely custom cibby in the flesh. and thanks for the warm welcome tonight guys it was fun.
Pootler
Was a nice wee pootle.
Sorry for holding you up guys on the longer ride.
Whore of the Forumz.
Since it's the New Year I thought that we could take a more structured approach to our weekly sessions, so that we can plan out a course that enables us to work on our base range of skills and improve on harder areas as we progress through the year.
We would incorporate our lessons with theory which would be printed off each week that would go alongside our lessons and you can keep as a reference to each lesson.
A brief idea that I wrote up earlier goes like this.
Week 1: Emergency Braking (theory - Braking)
Week 2: Stop and Go, Gymkhana
Week 3: Slow speed control (Theory - Throttle, clutch, brake control.)
Week4: Slow and Fast Gymkhana with Emergency Braking.
Week 5 : Weight Balance - Cornering and steering whilst the weight balance on the bike is upset, Ie.. standing on one side of the bike etc...
Week 6: Braking in corners to a stop
Week 7: Controlling rear wheel skids
Week 8: G's square, Full lock turns.
Week 9: Slow speed control.
Week 10: Lines
Week 11: Bike maintenance night
Week 12: Group Ride
Week 13: Line and Bike control - Tight line with balls with a curve in it, keep inside the line whilst looking up.
Week 14: Using peripheral vision - Course 13 ^ and have 3 people standing around with numbers that whilst doing the course they have to look around and memorise the numbers.
Week 15: Changing your line - Weighting pegs and trailing brake to tighten the line.
Week 16: Emergency braking, Stop and go, Gymkhana.
Week 17: Decreasing radius practice
Week 18: Braking in corners, Lines.
Week 19: How you sit on your bike - touch points, relaxed position?
What are your guys ideas and how do you feel about that approach to NASS, we can also incorporate lessons that you all feel you need to work on or would like to learn so that we are keeping everybody happy.
Ideas please.
Regards,
Matt
Forum whore
You have forgotten....
Burnouts -Standing still and rolling
Stoppies
Wheelies
& how to do mean drifts and skids that impress the ladies!
Whore of the Forumz.
Oh I thought I had forgotten something!You have forgotten....
Burnouts -Standing still and rolling
Stoppies
Wheelies
& how to do mean drifts and skids that impress the ladies!
Hardcore Biker
I had to read this twice.........thought you just wanted to get your gear out
"All people have the right to stupidity but some abuse the privilege."
"Loooordi Looooordi Loooooordi......another round of L's Angel's naughty corner"
Rider in training
It sounds good. We have started on slow riding, so I'd like to spend the next two weeks finishing that off if we can. We did straight lines last week. Next week I'd like to move onto a Gymkhana, and the week after that the Police style motorcycle riders test, which is an ultra hard Gymkhana
I'm not sure you'll going to get people dedicated enough to print out some theory material to study in advance ...
Make that theory and practical on the night.
You need to do slow speed control before you can do the Gymkhana.
Since emergency braking has been done once, it might be an idea to change it to brake and escape. Remember we only have a car park available to us as well ...
I'm not sure I get this one. So weighting one peg, and practice cornering either way while doing that?
Weighting the inside peg, leaning the bike into a corner, and leaning the other way at low speed is the skill for ultra tight low speed turning. I'm not sure we can do any other skills apart from this in a car park. Anything else involving peg weighting I can think of is done at pace.
I have no idea how to teach that. I would have told you not to do it ... don't brake mid corner from road pace in a corner to a halt. Normally if your in a corner and you see a problem you have to avoid the object, not try and stop short of it.
That is probably quite a bit above the level of NASS (meant for beginners).
This is good to do around the Gymkhana training sessions as it is highly related.
Sounds great.
I can show simple chain lubing and brake bleeding (only need a small amount of stuff that I can carry in my jacket). We can talk about chain tension, tyre pressures, and checking fluids.
But this would only take 10 mins. Anything else you can think off that can be done easily in a car park?
We do a group ride every week. Do you mean a longer ride?
We tried that before and it didn't work so well. It seems to work better using just two balls. One to be on the outside of before starting the turn, and one to be on the inside of at the "apex".
That is quite advanced. Not sure it is NASS level. I'm not confident that routine use of trail braking for road use is the way to go either. It's more of a get out of jail card when you are too hot in a corner.
Sounds good.
Same comment as above.
This is quite advanced as well. I would personally like to do it if Greg is available for my own interest. My personal thoughts are you need to have quite a few other skills "down pat" before being concerned with touch points.
Whore of the Forumz.
Yea that sounds good too, wouldn't want this to come in till it is all sorted.
I can print them off at work, say ten copies or so and people can just share them around etc...
It would be part of the gymkhana course, so at the end of the course have an emergency braking, or brake and escape type thing.
Yea so what Mark W had me doing one time is standing on both LH side pegs and doing an offset course going down the car park, then on RH side, pillion pegs etc. Just helps you to master the bike in odd circumstances and seeing how it feels when it is not settled and stable.
Greg has agreed to help out on these ones, it was an idea that Mark W said when I asked what harder stuff could I use to improve my riding, so I would use it in the sense of you go around a corner and there is a pile up of cars leaving no escape route except into a bank or what not. It is preferable to ride around the object but I have friends that have been in the situation as mentioned above and if they had those skills there is a higher possibility they wouldn't have crashed.
We could do it for the more experienced riders in the group where they could go off to the higher car park and practice. I was also thinking of doing split groups with one being for beginners and then one being advanced.
Yea that could definitely be incorporated.
We could do things like they check for in scrutineering at track days, I.e. Smooth throttle cables, tightening brake and clutch levers and adjusting levers into a comfortable position, learn what to check over on your bike and what to keep lubricated and clean. Maybe if everyone has a request for something they want to learn that we are able to achieve in a carpark then we could go off that.
Yea it would be a long ride and what I was thinking is doing a line formation and following the lead riders lines so as to get the best lines for corners.
What didn't work so well about it? We have to do it for BSHT(Bullshit handling test) but just longer with a very slight curve. we could possibly try both.
It can help to settle the bike down in a corner even at normal speeds, but yes, it is also used as an aid for being to hot in a corner. But say there is something that makes you need to change your line, then you have the ability to do so, and safely and camly, and if you do enter into a corner too hot then you also have that skill instead of grabbing the front hard and flying off. They are all essential safety skills that whilst not occurring every day, can be of some use, just like emergency braking.
I wouldn't have thought it too advanced, it is taught in group 1 at the ART days and is relatively easy go comprehend and once learnt, makes cornering a whole lot safer and understandable, I have applied it into my own riding and have become a lot better because of it.
They are good questions and thank you for asking them, thinking about it more I think it would be good to have 2 groups, so that people that are competent with the basic saftey skills can then go on to upskill themselves even more. Greg has said that he will help to produce a course and with training etc.. so I think it is a viable option.
Does anybody else have any issues or comments on the above ideas?
Whore of the Forumz.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=M2keWo5R6_Q
Here is a video of what it includes and the speed differences they practice from.
Rider in training
I see. Simple straight line rear wheel skid control. There isn't much involved in this. It doesn't start getting tricky until you are leaned over a bit or not travelling in a straight line. I must get myself some off road experience to learn that art ...
It can be easily done with emergency braking (and we can probably deal with it there, rather than having a whole session on it) when it is common (you commonly get rear wheel skids with emergency braking since the rear tyre has diminishing traction as the front wheel loads up). A lot of people end up doing it when they practise emergency braking and come to realise it is nothing to worry about.
Rider in training
So how about we do weeks "2" and "4" over the next two weeks?
Week 2: Stop and Go, Gymkhana
Week4: Slow and Fast Gymkhana with Emergency Braking
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