So who's the terrorist again?

[davereid]

Here a few pictures of some peace loving people going for a walk in London recently.

[davereid]

Nice to see الله provided nice weather, it often be so unpleasant in England in spring.

[avgas]

And this is what the National Party wants us to become, a little cheerleader for amerikan capitalism

Oh hell yes - have you seen their weapons?????
Or should i remind you www.invadenewzealand.com

[Robert Taylor]

Here a few pictures of some peace loving people going for a walk in London recently.

And England would have been a better place today had they taken heed of Enoch Powells prophetic warnings.

[slowpoke]

Isn't it funny how the Israeli's carry on about the "terrorists this and the terrorists that" after voting in Menachem Begin (sp) as their Prime Minister even though he was involved, as leader of the Irgun, in the bombing of the King David Hotel, killing 91 people.
Ariel Sharon should have been charged with crimes against humanity and genocide but instead was also elected Prime Minister.
The Israeli's do the very things to the Palestinians that the Nazi's did to the Jews, with the difference being that the Palestinians are still fighting their atrocious treatment by the worlds 5th largest military power with the only thing they have available to them: crude weapons, explosives and their bodies.
Unfortunately we only ever get to hear one side of the story as the powerful Jewish/Zionist community stridently spruiks propaganda whilst the Palestinian community has virtually no voice whatsoever.

As for the British, this is the same governement that evicted 2000 odd British subjects from one of it's colonies to make way for a US Air base. The people of Diego Garcia in the Indian Ocean, with British passports, were relocated to Mauritius and left with virtually no money, no housing and no means of earning a living, with the British Govt breaking several UN Conventions along the way. The British government has since ignored several court rulings alowing the people to return, even employing Royal Decree's to circumvent the rule of law.

[Street Gerbil]

Isn't it funny how the Israeli's carry on about the "terrorists this and the terrorists that" after voting in Menachem Begin (sp) as their Prime Minister even though he was involved, as leader of the Irgun, in the bombing of the King David Hotel, killing 91 people.

Except you forget to mention that
a) The attack was against the military installations (British military headquarters) and the building was not used used as a hotel at the moment.
b) Irgun gave a clear warning well in advance to the british authorities, french consulate, and a local newspaper.
Do palestinian "freedom fighters" attack military installations or so called "soft targets", an euphemism for women and children? Huh? Do they give advance warnings to clear the area? Yes or no? Can you really draw the parallels?

Ariel Sharon should have been charged with crimes against humanity and genocide but instead was also elected Prime Minister.

The Israeli's do the very things to the Palestinians that the Nazi's did to the Jews,

Try to find out who the phalangists were and why were they so upset at palestinians (Google is your friend) as well as what was the role of Israel in it.

"the term genocide (…) had obviously been chosen to embarrass Israel rather than out of any concern with legal precision” --- William Schabas, Genocide in International Law. The Crimes of Crimes, p. 455.

"Characteristic features were the suspension of critical thinking by journalists who normally exercise a salutary skepticism; unhesitating acceptance and publication of what soon proved to be self-evident propaganda from partisan sources. Most striking and revealing, was the frequent usage of language evocative of the Nazis... Such words as "blitzkrieg", "lebensraum", "genocide", and "final solution" were freely used to reinforce the comparison, sometimes stated and often implied, between Israelis in Lebanon and the Nazis in conquered and occupied Europe... Most reports concentrated their whole attack on the Israelis who, as was known from the start, had not actually participated in the massacre and whose negligence or complicity had not yet been established, and almost failed to mention the Lebanese Christian militias who actually did the deed. The careless reader or viewer could have got the impression that this was a massacre unique in the modern history of the Middle East, and that it was perpetrated directly by the Israelis. Neither was true." --- Lewis, Bernard (1999). Semites and Anti-Semites: An Inquiry into Conflict and Prejudice. pp 13-14

with the difference being that the Palestinians are still fighting their atrocious treatment by the worlds 5th largest military power with the only thing they have available to them: crude weapons, explosives and their bodies.

No, they are fighting themselves. And they are winning. No people in the history of humankind have shot themselves in the foot as precisely and as repeatedly. And if Israelis are doing "the same things that Nazis did to the Jews" (which is slaughter of two thirds of the entire population), they are doing a piss-poor job since palestinians have the world highest rate of population growth. But should really facts stand in a way of a good yarn, n'est ces pas?

Unfortunately we only ever get to hear one side of the story as the powerful Jewish/Zionist community stridently spruiks(sic) propaganda whilst the Palestinian community has virtually no voice whatsoever.

In light of everything said above and in previous posts, I am puzzled as to whether to reply to that as "LOL" or "Pot calls kettle African American." You choose.

[alanzs]

"Pot calls kettle African American." You choose.

I used to have a lawn jockey on the front yard when I was a kid.

[Indiana_Jones]

Here a few pictures of some peace loving people going for a walk in London recently.

Fuck this pricks make me angry, look at half of the dickless shits with their faces covered up. They love to enjoy the benefits of a western nation but don't wanna change for it.

It's because of those sort of pricks is why I don't/can't move back to the UK.

C*nts.

-Indy

[Sanx]

Fuck this pricks make me angry, look at half of the dickless shits with their faces covered up. They love to enjoy the benefits of a western nation but don't wanna change for it.

The problem is that half of these aforementioned islamist fuckwits were born in the UK and have every legal right to remain. What was a fucking travesty is that the majority of these fuckwits weren't prosecuted for inciting racial hatred. 'Cos of course, you can only have racial hatred against people who aren't white, protestant anglo-saxons...

[slowpoke]

Except you forget to mention that
a) The attack was against the military installations (British military headquarters) and the building was not used used as a hotel at the moment.
b) Irgun gave a clear warning well in advance to the british authorities, french consulate, and a local newspaper.
Do palestinian "freedom fighters" attack military installations or so called "soft targets", an euphemism for women and children? Huh? Do they give advance warnings to clear the area? Yes or no? Can you really draw the parallels?

So the Iraqi/Afghani civilian's fighting the Coalition troops aren't terrorists anymore? Thats' not what every media/government organisation would have us believe....not to mention that most of those killed in the King David Hotel bombing were civilian hotel staff etc rather than British military staff.

Try to find out who the phalangists were and why were they so upset at palestinians (Google is your friend) as well as what was the role of Israel in it.

"the term genocide (…) had obviously been chosen to embarrass Israel rather than out of any concern with legal precision” --- William Schabas, Genocide in International Law. The Crimes of Crimes, p. 455.

(From www.thirdworldtraveller.com):...the overall Sharon operation, both in working details and strategic conception, very clearly fits the "genocide" category of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, Article 2 (c) identifying as genocide the "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part." Articles 2 (a) and (b) refer to killing (a) and "causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group." The fit of the word genocide to the Sharon "war" is far better than to Kosovo where, before the period of joint NATO-KLA warfare with the Serbs (March 24-June 10, 1999), the Serbs were fighting an ugly civil war, but were not trying to degrade the conditions of life of Albanians and push them out to make way for settlements by a Serb "chosen people."

"Characteristic features were the suspension of critical thinking by journalists who normally exercise a salutary skepticism; unhesitating acceptance and publication of what soon proved to be self-evident propaganda from partisan sources. Most striking and revealing, was the frequent usage of language evocative of the Nazis... Such words as "blitzkrieg", "lebensraum", "genocide", and "final solution" were freely used to reinforce the comparison, sometimes stated and often implied, between Israelis in Lebanon and the Nazis in conquered and occupied Europe... Most reports concentrated their whole attack on the Israelis who, as was known from the start, had not actually participated in the massacre and whose negligence or complicity had not yet been established, and almost failed to mention the Lebanese Christian militias who actually did the deed. The careless reader or viewer could have got the impression that this was a massacre unique in the modern history of the Middle East, and that it was perpetrated directly by the Israelis. Neither was true." --- Lewis, Bernard (1999). Semites and Anti-Semites: An Inquiry into Conflict and Prejudice. pp 13-14

Regarding the Israeli Defence Forces attack on Jenin "Whatever is ultimately discovered about the carnage committed by Israel's forces, enough is known to implicate Sharon for a form of ethnic cleansing" Robert Scheer, Los Angeles Times, April 16, 2002

On April 15, the United Nations human rights commission condemned "mass killings" of Palestinians and demanded the end of "acts of mass killings perpetrated by the Israeli occupying authorities." The Geneva-based Commission on Human Rights ruled that the Israelis were guilty of "gross violations" of humanitarian law and the commission upheld the "legitimate right of Palestinian people to resist." The Commission on Human Rights expressed grave concern at "the killing of men, women and children" in West Bank refugee camps, among them Jenin, where Israeli troops of massacred Palestinian women and children.

"A United Nations vehicle with supplies of flour and sugar had been denied access to the (Jenin) camp, as well as the Red Cross. 'For over a week now,' one senior UN official said, 'the Red Cross and the UN have made strenuous efforts to receive permission to enter the camp. Especially for the Red Cross, this is an unheard-of situation for a government to refuse access in this way. The only assumption that we are making, regrettably, is that someone had something abominable to hide.' An Israeli soldier told a journalist that the Red Cross had been granted access to the camp but had refused. The UN official responded: 'This is a blatant lie." Source: "The Times" (London), April 15.


"The nation founded on exploitation of a martyr complex over war crimes, now blocks investigation of its own crimes against humanity

Compiled by Michael A. Hoffman II

Worried that a UN investigation could form the basis for war crimes prosecutions against Israeli soldiers, the Israeli government announced April 30, 2002 that it wouldn't allow a U.N. investigation in Jenin, a Palestinian refugee camp that is overseen by UN agencies, within occupied territory that by treaty is controlled by the governing Palestinian Authority. Nonetheless, the Israeli security Cabinet--led by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon--voted against letting the investigation proceed.

The UN investigators were to be led by former Finnish President Martti Ahtisaari. The 20-member UN commission was charged with assessing the civilian death toll from the April 2002 Israeli attack on Jenin, where hundreds of civilians were killed during three weeks of assaults by jets, helicopters and bulldozers in a "zone" closed to the media by the Israeli army."

Jenin, Nablus, Shatila, Sabra etc the instances of Israeli Army atrocities perpetuated against almost exclusively civilian populated refugee camps (any other "war" they'd be called concentration camps), and under Sharon's direction, are inexcusable.

No, they are fighting themselves. And they are winning. No people in the history of humankind have shot themselves in the foot as precisely and as repeatedly.

From www.worldtraveller.com: "As with the U.S. approval and protection of Israeli aggression, the Sharon method of fending off peace options is a rerun of 1982 Lebanon, where, contrary to establishment mythology, the Israeli invasion was precipitated, not by Palestinian violence but by its very absence, which impelled a violent Israeli response to prevent negotiations and any kind of compromise settlement. The problem, according to Israeli analyst Yehoshua Porath, writing in Ha'aretz on June 25, 1982, was "that the cease fire had been observed," and Begin and Sharon invaded Lebanon anticipating and desiring that a PLO under military attack "would return to its earlier terrorism" and "lose part of the political legitimacy it has gained." Sharon is still playing that game and with the success that comes from the fact that an Israeli leader, even a world class genocidist, is under the full protection of the U.S. government and media."

And if Israelis are doing "the same things that Nazis did to the Jews" (which is slaughter of two thirds of the entire population), they are doing a piss-poor job since palestinians have the world highest rate of population growth. But should really facts stand in a way of a good yarn, n'est ces pas?

Facts eh? Just think about the conditions they live under, does that really sound "kosher"? From www.israelinsider.com " Study shows Palestinian "baby boom" has been grossly overstated
By israelinsider staff January 16, 2005

A landmark demographic study presented last week at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and the Heritage Foundation in Washington contends that the Palestinian population has been tendentiously overstated by as much as 1.5 million and that dire predictions of the Jewish population majority west of the Jordan River being overtaken in the near future has no merit."

Speaking on the same report, from www.worldaffairs.com: "The entire 117-page report can be accessed on-line at www.pademographics.com. Given that it shows that the government's current policies are based in large part on an uncritical acceptance of fraudulent data whose purpose was to demoralize us into capitulating to our post-modern foe, hopefully Olmert and Sharon will take a look at it."
From www.thirdworld traveller.com "In a recent article in the New York Times, however, reporter James Bennet notes that the ratio of killings during the first Intifada, 25 Palestinians to 1 Israeli, has fallen in the current Intifada to 3 to I ("Mideast Turmoil: News Analysis: Mideast Balance Sheet," March 12, 2002). Neither Bennet nor the editors explain how the party victimized at a 25-1 ratio could be said to be the terrorists rather than the victims."

In light of everything said above and in previous posts, I am puzzled as to whether to reply to that as "LOL" or "Pot calls kettle African American." You choose.

Looking at the mounting evidence from unbiased sources (multi award winning Aussie John Pilger is a good read on a variety of the worlds troublespots, or Amnesty International, or the Israeli censures by the UN ) the truth is inescapable if you are prepared to see it.

[slowpoke]

Here a few pictures of some peace loving people going for a walk in London recently.

Oh yeah, those pictures don't look doctored at all do they, nah......(tui ad)

Fuck this pricks make me angry, look at half of the dickless shits with their faces covered up. They love to enjoy the benefits of a western nation but don't wanna change for it.

It's because of those sort of pricks is why I don't/can't move back to the UK.

C*nts.

-Indy

And of course you'd be quite prepared to show your face on national/international media saying exactly what you've just said.........

....and have a closer look at some of the pic's that have got you so riled up.

The problem is that half of these aforementioned islamist fuckwits were born in the UK and have every legal right to remain. What was a fucking travesty is that the majority of these fuckwits weren't prosecuted for inciting racial hatred. 'Cos of course, you can only have racial hatred against people who aren't white, protestant anglo-saxons...

Last time I checked race and religion were unrelated.

[Sanx]

Oh yeah, those pictures don't look doctored at all do they, nah......(tui ad)

The photos are entirely genuine. Given the scale of the protest staged in London, it was covered by just about every UK new organisation, and quite a few international ones as well. They all show the same thing.

Or are you embarking on an iiimbecile-like conspiracy theory?

And of course you'd be quite prepared to show your face on national/international media saying exactly what you've just said.........

No - I wouldn't, 'cos then I could be identified and arrested.

Last time I checked race and religion were unrelated.

You're right - they are unrelated. Now even if the UK law on 'inciting racial hatred' didn't cover inciting hatred based on race or religion, how did what I said have anything to do with religion? The fuckwit islamists were threatening pretty much everyone who wasn't a similar fuckwit islamist. In quite a few of those 'doctored' photos, they threaten Europe and therefore by implication, anyone who's European. And that IS a race.

[terbang]

Islamic fundamentalists, Christian fundamentalists. Yup we have em. Just pends on which side of the fence you were born as to who looks the craziest. Looking at the tags on this thread also confirms that there are a lot of dumb kiwis out there too.

[davereid]

And of course you'd be quite prepared to show your face on national/international media saying exactly what you've just said.........

The great thing about those photos is that there is nothing I could say that they don't say better themselves.

[slowpoke]

The photos are entirely genuine. Given the scale of the protest staged in London, it was covered by just about every UK new organisation, and quite a few international ones as well. They all show the same thing.

Or are you embarking on an iiimbecile-like conspiracy theory?

Nup, no conspiracy theories. I remember the flap at the time but but don't recall these particular photo's. Some of them don't look quite right....but if they are then that's cool, I'm happy(sic) to admit there are freaks/easily lead people of every persuasion out there.

No - I wouldn't, 'cos then I could be identified and arrested.

This comment was more for Indiana_Jones but given the anti-terror legislation and pro-christian govt's in place in the western countries I can see why they'd want to cover their faces. You can't even wear the wrong football shirt to a match without risking a beating in the UK so why would they do otherwise? Why is it important that their faces be seen?

You're right - they are unrelated. Now even if the UK law on 'inciting racial hatred' didn't cover inciting hatred based on race or religion, how did what I said have anything to do with religion? The fuckwit islamists were threatening pretty much everyone who wasn't a similar fuckwit islamist. In quite a few of those 'doctored' photos, they threaten Europe and therefore by implication, anyone who's European. And that IS a race.

There's a world of difference (excuse the pun) between targeting Europe the locale, and Europeans generally. And don't think all Muslims have the same goals as their outer fringe dwellers, that would be like thinking all Christians think like George Dubya.

From www.islamicity.com: "Islam is not a new religion, but the same truth that God revealed through all His prophets to every people. For a fifth of the world's population, Islam is both a religion and a complete way of life. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the majority have nothing to do with the extremely grave events which have come to be associated with their faith."