So who's the terrorist again?

[idleidolidyll]

Tell me again why my taxes are actually subsidising a massive increase in Wellington-based beaurocrats and Liarbore's election campaign?

Your party line parroting of the tax cuts=service cuts is getting boring.

you may be getting bored but that's only because you're refusing to accept the bleeding obvious:
tax cuts mean service cuts.

any extra cost of bureaucrats is minuscule as a part of the total budget but that aside; it's far better to tweak a good system than throw it out and bring in a system that has patently failed miserably elsewhere

[Flatcap]

you may be getting bored but that's only because you're refusing to accept the bleeding obvious:
tax cuts mean service cuts.

any extra cost of bureaucrats is minuscule as a part of the total budget but that aside; it's far better to tweak a good system than throw it out and bring in a system that has patently failed miserably elsewhere

So by "tweak" you mean make it more efficient which means spending less.

So tax cuts don't mean service cuts?

Unless you want to tweak it to make it less efficient, which seems to be the standard socialist practice

[MisterD]

you may be getting bored but that's only because you're refusing to accept the bleeding obvious:
tax cuts mean service cuts.

any extra cost of bureaucrats is minuscule as a part of the total budget but that aside; it's far better to tweak a good system than throw it out and bring in a system that has patently failed miserably elsewhere

That's where you're up your own fundament isn't it? The system that works here is a combination of public and private, the fully state-owned monolith wouldn't work either.

Oh yes and let's see....Liarbore has poured 340 million wasted dollars into a bank we don't need and now won't cough for real Herceptin availability for $25m a year. That's what? Thirteen years years worth of women that wouldn't have an automatic death sentence...funding that is National policy.

[Robert Taylor]

So by "tweak" you mean make it more efficient which means spending less.

So tax cuts don't mean service cuts?

Unless you want to tweak it to make it less efficient, which seems to be the standard socialist practice

What of course is conveniently overlooked by the red-feds on this site is that tax cuts can stimulate the economy and actually increase the overall tax take. Heck, it would be wonderful to reduce the size of the ''paid beneficiaries'' and actually get them into doing something productive.
The National party, whilst not perfect has a much higher percentage of practical people in it that have been working in the real world, as opposed to ex lecturers from ''communist finishing school''
My fantasy is that there will be total annihilation of all the minor parties except for Act and Gordon Copeland and that the Labour party will be so weakened it will never recover, that would be justice. For good measure the National party needs to reinstate our Air Strike Force to show the world we are not security freeloaders. Bring back corporal punishment ( including the death penalty ) and bring back compulsory military training.

[MisterD]

that the Labour party will be so weakened it will never recover,

Ain't never going to happen with big union dollars and their anti-democratic funding legislation...Unions are now allowed to donate big dollars to Liarbore and then spend further chunks themselves attacking National...all from the pay packets of workers coerced into joining up.

[Flatcap]

bring back compulsory military training.

But only now I'm too old and feeble

[MisterD]

military training.

As long as the military train their guns on Alan Clark, I don't care.

[Robert Taylor]

Ain't never going to happen with big union dollars and their anti-democratic funding legislation...Unions are now allowed to donate big dollars to Liarbore and then spend further chunks themselves attacking National...all from the pay packets of workers coerced into joining up.

Well, lets hope the National party have a few hidden agendas including a bit of union cleansing....

[Clockwork]

Oh yes and let's see....Liarbore has poured 340 million wasted dollars into a bank we don't need and now won't cough for real Herceptin availability for $25m a year. That's what? Thirteen years years worth of women that wouldn't have an automatic death sentence...funding that is National policy.

You should make up your mind!! one minute you are bemoaning social spending and extolling the virtues of free enterprise and private health care despite the compelling testemony of Allanz, then you complain because "liarbore" (funny name for Pharmac) wont spend more money treating breast cancer.

I don't think you actually give a rats arse about Breast Cancer sufferers just so long as you've got some shit to throw at the Government

[Clockwork]

What of course is conveniently overlooked by the red-feds on this site is that tax cuts can stimulate the economy and actually increase the overall tax take.

Please explain how this works. I've heard it cited repeatedly but I've never been shown the economics of the argument.

[MisterD]

You should make up your mind!! one minute you are bemoaning social spending and extolling the virtues of free enterprise and private health care despite the compelling testemony of Allanz, then you complain because "liarbore" (funny name for Pharmac) wont spend more money treating breast cancer.

I don't think you actually give a rats arse about Breast Cancer sufferers just so long as you've got some shit to throw at the Government

You're the one that's guilty of misrepresentation - what I advocate is a partnership of public and private. This government is guilty of thowing money willynilly at public services to negligible benefit to the patient. Doctors do not need managers who report to managers.

Er, and no, having lost a mother to Breast Cancer at the age of 19, it is one thing that I care very passionately about.

[Clockwork]

Er, and no, having lost a mother to Breast Cancer at the age of 19, it is one thing that I care very passionately about.

My apologies.

[svr]

What of course is conveniently overlooked by the red-feds on this site is that tax cuts can stimulate the economy and actually increase the overall tax take.
There are of course many ways to stimulate an economy without increasing gross inequalities and the attendant costs to nearly everyone

The National party, whilst not perfect has a much higher percentage of practical people in it that have been working in the real world, as opposed to ex lecturers from ''communist finishing school''

Are blue-blood silver spoon-fed estate inheritors, lawyers, land lords and property speculators really more qualified by `real world' experience to speak on policy than economists, anthropolgists and historians?

My fantasy is that there will be total annihilation of all the minor parties except for Act and Gordon Copeland and that the Labour party will be so weakened it will never recover, that would be justice. For good measure the National party needs to reinstate our Air Strike Force to show the world we are not security freeloaders. Bring back corporal punishment ( including the death penalty ) and bring back compulsory military training.

OK, no comment required here. But here's one anyway. IMHO your fantasies should involve a lttle less fascist annihilation of democratic representation / corporal punishment etc. and a lot more naked women on RC8's.

And to think I let you fettle my bouncy bits!

[Robert Taylor]

Please explain how this works. I've heard it cited repeatedly but I've never been shown the economics of the argument.

I would have thought that it was so damn obvious, if you are not suppressing business by overtaxing them they can use the capital that was otherwise fleeced to generate more business activity and in doing so employ more people. It beats having to spend so much on welfare and bureaucrats administering it because there are less employment opportunities.
Whether you care to believe it or not there are many employers who care about social responsibility, there are just those of us who prefer a system that gainfully employs people. This is exactly where the ex communist lecturers currently running this country have no flipping idea.

[svr]

I agree RT - the lot of the small business owner is fraught with overtaxation, distorted `competition' with the big players, red-tape, huge compliance costs, stacked employment laws and personal financial risk.
But big corporates, property speculators and land-lords pay f.all so small business and the average joe like me ends up paying all the tax.