So who's the terrorist again?

[idleidolidyll]

Is this cognitive dissonance?

Surely the nation that causes the most terror in the world is in fact its chief terrorist?
You gotta admire yank spin even if you detest their principles and scruples.

And this is what the National Party wants us to become, a little cheerleader for amerikan capitalism

Preparing the Battlefield (July 7, 2008)
According to the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, the Bush administration is seeking war with Iran even though it lacks a legitimate reason. In 2007 the US Congress dramatically increased funding for US covert operations in Iran. The Presidential Finding - a highly classified federal document - details the expanded scale of operations that aims to undermine Iran's nuclear ambitions and destabilize the regime. For example, the US funds an Iranian opposition group of Baluchi Sunni fundamentalists, even though this group has ties to al-Qaeda.
http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/intervention/iran/general/2008/0707battlefield.htm

[98tls]

Yanks are fucked if they do fucked if they dont really.They do nothing and the supposed fears they have prove true to late then its "why didnt they sort it out earlier" they do something and there labelled terrorists.

[CB ARGH]

Is this cognitive dissonance?

I lost you there...

That words sounds like a disease around the anus.

[idleidolidyll]

Yanks are fucked if they do fucked if they dont really.They do nothing and the supposed fears they have prove true to late then its "why didnt they sort it out earlier" they do something and there labelled terrorists.

ahh, the old black or white argument.........and so quickly too

all or nothing

The problem is that there was never any valid reason to attack Iraq beside greed and lust for power.
The excuses changed every day, the UNGA condemned it, the UN prez condemned it, millions of protesters around the world condemned it, governments condemned it..................................and still we don't know why the yanks and their poodles did it..........or do we?

Surely it wasn't the oil?:

US Advised Iraqi Ministry on Oil Deals (June 30, 2008)
The Bush administration is working behind the scenes to ensure Western access to Iraqi oil. US government lawyers and private-sector consultants have provided templates and detailed suggestions on drafting the much criticized contracts between the Iraqi governments and five major Western oil companies. The companies will be working some of the largest fields in Iraq, although critics warn that meddling in the country's oil policies can inflame the opinion of Arab nations against the US. (New York Times)
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2008/0630advisors.htm

who's the terrorist again?

[Forest]

Iran controls the Strait of Hormuz.

If the US attacks Iran, then the Iranians will seal off the Strait and around 20% of the world's oil supply will be cut off. At which point the shit will really hit the fan.

[idleidolidyll]

I lost you there...

That words sounds like a disease around the anus.

yes, it often makes the sphincter clinch.........when it's exposed

[FJRider]

I lost you there...

That words sounds like a disease around the anus.

CLOSE... it involves arseholes...

[idleidolidyll]

Forest;

yes, but given the rise in oil prices and the massive profit they're making, it seems they really don't give a damn about the shit hitting the fan: control of energy is their ace

after all, the poor and middle class do the dying for the rich not the reverse.

the only limit to their power is their fear the populace will overthrow them.
at the moment it's hard to see that happening; big brother, well constructed fear, a highly reactive military and govt, all backed by trillions of big business dollars make it pretty hard for ordinary people to organise any credible uprising.

[davereid]

The yanks will meekly show up later.

http://prodos.thinkertothinker.com/?p=445

Israel will deal to the Iranians well before the US or UN even understand the issue.

And with good reason.

7 million people in Israel.

Invaded by 200 million arabs... in:

1948 Invaded by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - who lost.

1949-1950 Jordan annexed what became known as the West Bank and East Jerusalem, and Egypt took control of the Gaza Strip.

1950-1956 continuous war with Egyptian fedayeen from Gaza strip

1948-1952 In Libya, Jews were deprived citizenship, and in Iraq, their property was seized.

1956, Egypt, in an act of war, closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, and blockaded the Gulf of Aqaba, in contravention of the Constantinople Convention. Israel responded on October 29, 1956, by invading the Sinai Peninsula with British and French support. During the Suez Canal Crisis, Israel captured the Gaza Strip and Sinai Peninsula.

1967, Egypt deployed 100,000 soldiers in the Sinai Peninsula. It again closed the Straits of Tiran to Israeli shipping, returning the region to the way it was in 1956 when Israel was blockaded.

1967, Jordan entered into the mutual defense pact between Egypt and Syria intending to destroy Israel. The Israeli Air Force (IAF) destroyed most of the surprised Egyptian Air Force, then turned east to pulverize the Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces. At the war's end, Israel had gained control of the Sinai Peninsula, the Gaza Strip, the West Bank, eastern Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights.

Unsurprisingly, given history, Israel didnt give them back this time.

1967, Arab leaders met in Khartoum in response to the war, to discuss the Arab position toward Israel. They reached consensus that there should be:
No recognition of the State of Israel.
No peace with Israel.
No negotiations with Israel.

1969, Egypt initiated the War of Attrition, with the goal of exhausting Israel into surrendering the Sinai Peninsula.

1973, Syria and Egypt attacked Israel on Yom Kippur, initially overwhelming the surprised Israeli military. When Israel had turned the tide of war, the USSR threatened military intervention. The United States, wary of nuclear war, secured a ceasefire on October 25

After this date, Israel stopped waiting to be attacked.

1981, Israel successfully attacked and destroyed newly built Iraqi nuclear facilities.

1981,Iraq fired 39 missiles into Israel, in the hopes of uniting the Arab world. At the behest of the United States, Israel did not respond to this attack in order to prevent a greater outbreak of war.

The bad guys here all wear turbans.

[tri boy]

Trillions of big business dollars??
Were you talking about the USA?
News flash. They are broke!
Morally, financially, and emotionally.
There will be no war with Iran.

That little Roman empire is down the gurgler mate. Soon as the rest of the world unhedge from the US dollar the better. (has lost 85% of it's value in 90yrs)

[Finn]

Idle, either you've taken too many drugs in your life time or perhaps you need to.

[Flatcap]

And this is what the National Party wants us to become, a little cheerleader for amerikan capitalism

I don't recall National releasing that policy...


Could it be that III is pushing some left-wing propoganda?

[idleidolidyll]

ahh, screeching zionistsa

youze guys are so funny

[idleidolidyll]

Trillions of big business dollars??
Were you talking about the USA?
News flash. They are broke!
Morally, financially, and emotionally.
There will be no war with Iran.

That little Roman empire is down the gurgler mate. Soon as the rest of the world unhedge from the US dollar the better. (has lost 85% of it's value in 90yrs)

the country might be broke but the rich and powerful are richer and powerfuller

"That little Roman empire is down the gurgler mate."

I hope you're right



but i hope you're right:

[idleidolidyll]

I don't recall National releasing that policy...


Could it be that III is pushing some left-wing propoganda?

of course not, what policy HAVE they released?

so far it's all bullshit and jellybeans.

the funniest moment in politics this week was National getting all pissy about Labour poking shit instead of providing policy.

Payback is such a bitch