Time to arm our guards

[firefighter]

Dude armed security guards that can speed around the place with guns........geeeezus mate no bloody way, sit outside a volunteer station and watch them respond, and you'll see what civilians do when given a little authority......not all the same of course, but man it would be chaos, you'd be frightened if the military were called in and armed, who are trained and disciplined, also so are the police (of course) and they aren't armed yet, as for a "trained" islander security guard who would remain a civilian with no real rank structure, a light bar on the roof a siren and a gun.....are you fucken nuts???

[Mr Merde]

Just came back from a 3 week holiday to Aussie.

Armed police and armed security guards.

Dont go near an ATM when they are filling it up.

If it works for one why cant it work here.

Oh I forgot, we cant be trusted by the powers that be, to actually look after ourselves and take some responsibility for our lives and actions.

[firefighter]

Just came back from a 3 week holiday to Aussie.

Armed police and armed security guards.

Dont go near an ATM when they are filling it up.

If it works for one why cant it work here.

Oh I forgot, we cant be trusted by the powers that be, to actually look after ourselves and take some responsibility for our lives and actions.

you ever watched the aussie news?........they actually need that over there.....I agree our police should definately be armed but I just can't accept having "Sefu pua" security guard carrying around a gun.....

[Roadrash]

The cops have been crying out for Tazors and still don't have them, the stink that was caused when people thought cops might get such a thing was huge, now they want the Cops to be armed, yet i have yet to meet a Cop who wants to carry a firearm full time, It isn't the Police who decide the politics, its the Politicains , if ya don't like the way things are being done coming up with ideas like arming sucurity gaurds isn't the answer, go see your local MP.

The WALLACE shooting is still being investigated now, maybe if people got there information from the right sources instead of what they see on tv , something constructive might be done.

[Steam]

Dont go near an ATM when they are filling it up.

If it works for one why cant it work here.

I used to fill up the ATMs, and trust me, you DON'T want the guys who do that to have guns. They are slightly smarter than trained monkeys. Slightly.

[Sanx]

Giving people more guns is never the answer to any problem. The gun-lobby in the USA loves to boast about how in areas with a high gun ownership rate, rates of assault and rape are lower. It's true, because in most cases what starts as rape or assault turns into murder. The gun-lobby also likes to claim that banning hand guns drives them underground. Yes - obviously some will go onto the black market, but in places where it's been tried (the UK being a pertinent example) the vast majority of hand guns simply get handed in and destroyed. It's also worth noting that the two major gun massacres in the UK - Hungerford and Dunblane - and the Virginia tech and Columbine massacres in the US were all carried out by people who'd obtained the guns legally. (OK, the Columbine shooters stole the guns from a grand-parent, but the grand-parent obtained them legally.)

It's precisely becaue of this that I am against arming the Police and vehemently against arming the mouth-breathing retards I see working for private security firms. Whilst it's certainly true the Police cannot (or will not) respond to burglar alarms and certainly don't seem to have the desire to actualy attend crime scenes unless there's a chance they might make some money out of it, handing the responsibility to private law-enforcement firms would be the start of a very slippery slope.

Oh, and if you need examples of why arming the Police is a bad idea, imagine what the ginga cunt would be like with a pistol?

[fire eyes]

why blame Labour? seems to me a majority of the country put them into power .. isn't that how they get there in the first place? ummm voted in by the majority? Armed Security Guards may not be such a bad idea if they have the proper training but then wouldnt they then be Policeman?

[scumdog]

Oh, and if you need examples of why arming the Police is a bad idea, imagine what the ginga cunt would be like with a pistol?

Well it might shut up all those moaning pricks...

[Sanx]

Well it might shut up all those moaning pricks...

A very good point you make, sir. I stand corrected!

This thread reminded me of something I heard on BBC Radio's From Our Own Correspondent programme a few weeks ago. The original story's here, but for those that can't be bothered...

Despite the fact there are more than 200 million guns in circulation, there is a certain tranquility and civility about American life.

Deepwater, Missouri has a motto: "A great lil' town nestled in the heartland."

Deepwater considers itself to be an exemplar of the best of American life. A place where outsiders - if they ever penetrated this far - would find home-cooked apple pie and friendly, warm, hard-working folk.

Among those folk, I have no doubt, is Ronald Long. Last month Mr Long decided to install a satellite television system in his Deepwater home. His efforts to make a hole in the outside wall came to nothing because Mr Long did not possess a drill.

But he did have a .22 calibre gun.

He fired two shots from the inside of the bedroom.

The second killed his wife who was standing outside. He will face no charges. The police accept it was an accident.

Do you really want people this dumb with guns?

[scumdog]

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Do you really want people this dumb with guns?[/QUOTE]

Well they frikken well have cars - and kill with THEM.

And cars weren't designed to kill.

[devnull]

A good article on guns without the bullshit...

http://www.thebriefingroom.com/archi...un_debate.html

[Sanx]

And cars weren't designed to kill.

And you've got it in one. Cars aren't designed to kill people. Yes, they can be used for that purpose, but then if I put my mind to it, I could probably kill someone with just about half the objects I have on my desk if I put my mind to it.

The difference is that hand-guns are designed for one thing and one thing only. Killing people. You can go hunting with a rifle. You can use a shotgun for rabbit and possum control. But if you buy a hand-gun, it's because you forsee the time when you might have to use it to kill someone.

[Mr Merde]

..... But if you buy a hand-gun, it's because you forsee the time when you might have to use it to kill someone.

Sorry but I take exception to that part of your statement. I partake in the sport of target shooting with pistols. I happen to own 7 pistols, each suitable for different target disciplines. I never bought any of them with the idea of the time I was going to use them to shoot someone.

Actually if I was going out to shoot someone I would by preference be rather carrying my 12 guage shotgun with 00 buck shot.

[scumdog]

. But if you buy a hand-gun, it's because you forsee the time when you might have to use it to kill someone.

Or do as I have done: Used one to make a lot of holes in a lot of paper...

[ManDownUnder]

Sorry but I take exception to that part of your statement. I partake in the sport of target shooting with pistols. I happen to own 7 pistols, each suitable for different target disciplines.

Or do as I have done: Used one to make a lot of holes in a lot of paper...

You guys are doing nothing for the nasty reputation of reckless gun owners. I thought we were all mass murdering wannabes hoping to plunge the country into anarchy.

Are you saying rtesponsible people own guns?

As for arming guards. No. Two words for you - Arms Race. A fundamental of an arms race is the attacker has the advantage (time to plan, equip and gain surprise). The defender only has time to react.

Let's not up the ante if we don't have to.

And Steam's post worries me. If it's da boyz from da hood dat can't land da job - and we give them guns? FARK!