(un)Sensing Murder

[vifferman]

I didn't read this thread (like I don't watch "Sensing Bullshit!"), but I just had to chime in with that.
I like that it's on, because it gives me the opportunity to go SENSING BULLSHIT! in a loud voice at the appropriate time when they advertise it on the box.


Yeah, I know. Small things..small minds...

[Goblin]

Man that Kelvin .. whoaaaa .. kinda hot lol ..

Agree, he is kinda hot. He's a biker too.

[Drunken Monkey]

Not wanting to appear gullible ....

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.

...

There is more to existance than I am comfortable assuming to understand.

Lady, you were just cold read.

[Number One]

Do share.

Yeah, nah...think I have said enough on this...given the tone of the replies I don't really want to put myself out any further than I already have.

BTW - I don't watch 'sensing bullshit' ...actuallly all this kinda stuff gives me the creeps - I also don't watch SVU and those other morbid 'solving crime' programmes. They just don't entertain to me and I tend to just end up feeling squeemish with all the fake dead bodies they poke around in.

[Number One]

Lady, you were just cold read.

You again? Utter twaddle mate!

[ManDownUnder]

I'm on both sides of the fence

I find it hard to believe a lot of the stuff they do and say - this is a show after all and one has to wonder how much ends up on the editing floor.

That said - the question remains - what don't we know? And how do we prove it doesn't exist? Germs, atoms and many other aspects of the physical world we know accept as "true" were once fantasy left to the dreamers, leading to derision and scron among their peers (scientific and otherwise).

Consider this - we only have 5 senses... how can we be so sure nothing exists beyond those 5? Driving at night we're only aware of what's visible to us - so if we don't see something by the roadside - how can we reasonably argue it's not there? The lack of evidence doesn't suffice...

[Badjelly]

She told me specific and accurate stuff about hubby, my parents, my work, grandparents, my AND hubbies health, that I was 'very newly' pregnant (only 6 weeks at the time) WITH a boy (correct) AND that I'd had a miscarraige earlier in the year WHICH I had not told anyone about.

These people are very good at making sensible guesses, drawing your attention to the hits, diverting your attention from the misses, and making the near-misses seem like hits. Have you ever seen Derren Brown on TV? He's a self-professed non-psychic who achieves remarkable feats of "mind reading" with "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship".

[fire eyes]

Hey Gurly, thanks for sharing your EXPERIENCES with our everloving-openminded-compassionate biker family! That was some pretty deep personal information you shared with us. It takes courage to put yourself out there the way you did & .. I am very sorry to hear about the loss of your child sweety. I guess we get so caught up in trying to get our opinions across that sometimes our compassion gets swept under the carpet. Thanks.

[Badjelly]

That said - the question remains - what don't we know? And how do we prove it doesn't exist? Germs, atoms and many other aspects of the physical world we know accept as "true" were once fantasy left to the dreamers, leading to derision and scron among their peers (scientific and otherwise).

Consider this - we only have 5 senses... how can we be so sure nothing exists beyond those 5? Driving at night we're only aware of what's visible to us - so if we don't see something by the roadside - how can we reasonably argue it's not there? The lack of evidence doesn't suffice...

Sure, but what do you do about the unknown and (maybe) unknowable? Patiently and methodically try to investigate the boundaries of knowledge by generating hypotheses, testing them and applying reason? Or swallow any old rubbish from a bunch of confidence tricksters? I suggest that the former approach has been spectacularly successful in telling us about germs, atoms, quasars, the evolution of life on earth, the workings of our bodies and minds (still working on that last one). What have the magicians and priests given us by comparison?

[Number One]

These people are very good at making sensible guesses, drawing your attention to the hits, diverting your attention from the misses, and making the near-misses seem like hits. Have you ever seen Derren Brown on TV? He's a self-professed non-psychic who achieves remarkable feats of "mind reading" with "magic, suggestion, psychology, misdirection and showmanship".

I knew that I would get a barrage of replies along the lines of 'Silly woman!' as soon as I'd posted on this thread. It amazes me that people are so 'sure' that it would have to be an artful deception that I got sucked into. The old line of you weren't there so you don't KNOW...comes to mind....

AS I said I didn't talk at all except to greet the woman before I sat down and I do understand the subtleties of body language/facial gestures/eye movements etc...so I was being very mindful of controlling mine myself as I was sceptical about it all going in and just went as a bit of a joke.

As for sensible guesses - agree that is possible with some of the information she 'sensed' however there were too many quite specific and 'personal' things she was able to tell me about that were strangely too spot on for me to be able to discount the notion that there might be something to this psychic/medium whatever stuff completely.

[fire eyes]

I prefer the term 'WOMAN' as opposed to sheila.

[Swoop]

A cold shiver just swooped over my body...... Oh my god....

It wasn't me!

[Badjelly]

I knew that I would get a barrage of replies along the lines of 'Silly woman!' as soon as I'd posted on this thread.

Well you didn't get one from me

People are very good at fooling themselves. (This applies to me as much as anyone. ... Well, OK, a little less than some.) Some people are very good at taking advantage of this.

[Murray]

Those "psychics" should be jailed for wasting police time.

If you watched all the programme including the bleeped out bits. They virtually named everyone involved and at the end of the day 1 DNA sample would either prove or disprove the whole show. Now to get that would take about as much time as the police take to issue a couple of speeding or failing to stop tickets. Which is more important????

[firefighter]

It is unfortunate an investigative journalist needs to research and interview people BEFORE the psychics get involed. Funny how people are often willing to say more or what slips out of peoples mouths much later when the stresses of the moment have passed. I have a question about all these programs.
1. Have they EVER found a missing body?
If i was a dead spirit talking to a psychic I would give them the exact GPS location where i was buried or a least say dig a little to the left of the shed!
2. Have they ever gained any evidence, found a weapon or uncovered any information not already discovered by the journalist who researched the case beforehand?

I would love my scheptisism to be proven wrong as it would be cool to be able to solve a lot of unsolved cases - but to date I have not heard of one successful case.

precisely, all they have ever done is state facts already known to the police, dramatise it, and make up some new theory......funny how they have never ever solved anything........or on one episode they said "the body is somewhere in here"......and it was a rubbish dump.....