(un)Sensing Murder

**Sanx** · 10th July 2008, 11:45

Originally Posted by wybmadiity

There was a big thing about the missing guy, not sure it ever came about how they found him though... can't remember

So what you're saying is: I can't prove it, I can't show any reference to it, I don't know the details but ... trust me, it happened!

Sounds familiar ...

**wybmadiity** · 10th July 2008, 12:07

Look it doesn't matter. Was just FYI.

**sels1** · 10th July 2008, 13:13

Originally Posted by Sanx

... whole different realm of consciousness science cannot reach ... yet. Which as I said is complicated by the difficulty of placing sensors close enough the the neural pathways in the brain without disrupting them, and the obvious unwillingness of test subjects to submit themselves to such tests. There have been tests that have demonstrated an ability to determine whether a subject is touching something that is hot or cold and whether they're tasting something sweet, sour, bitter or salty. .

Sure-this is just a more complicated version of a Tech tracking a signal from an electronic sensor back to a PC - measurable in the physical world. But there is a difference between 'brain' and 'mind'. There is no physical 'mind' to dissect and measure...and thats where all the thoughts are. So thats where piloshophy and religion come in....(see 'Scottish thread'...)(aptly assigned to PD)

Originally Posted by Sanx

... [I]But in a way comparing the existence of thought to the existence of ghosties, ghoulies or deities is a bit pointless..

My point is something doesnt have to be measured or proven scientifically (or even be able to be proved or even disproved) in order to exist. Thoughts are a common example.

**James Deuce** · 10th July 2008, 13:46

I've yet to meet a biker capable of thought, let alone having it proved via scientific method.

**jrandom** · 10th July 2008, 15:58

Me, I'm always 'open' to the possibility of anything, including psychic superpowers.

But, like others have said, show evidence or STFU.

Vague cold-reading style statements don't meet the required evidential standard.

Particularly when they're mostly wrong; of course, a lot of fuss gets made when they kinda-sorta match reality, conveniently ignoring the majority of the time when they have no bearing on it.

However, the fact remains - no 'psychic' has ever demonstrated, in an objective test, any ability to perceive anything extrasensory whatsoever.

Anecdotal statements to the effect of "I heard once that somebody said such-and-such, and then so-and-so turned out to be true!" are meaningless.

I lose respect for people who hold the 'opinion' that evidence and logic in these matters are unnecessary. Sure, they have a 'right' to their 'opinion', but I also reserve my right to hold the opinion that they're blithering idiots, and treat them accordingly.

**Number One** · 10th July 2008, 16:31

Originally Posted by jrandom

I lose respect for people who hold the 'opinion' that evidence and logic in these matters are unnecessary. Sure, they have a 'right' to their 'opinion', but I also reserve my right to hold the opinion that they're blithering idiots, and treat them accordingly.

I'll keep all that in mind should we ever meet I'm sure we'll get along just dandy...open mind you say.......Oh wait you likely didn't have any respect for me anyway...no worries, no loss

**jrandom** · 10th July 2008, 16:33

Originally Posted by Number One

I'll keep all that in mind should we ever meet I'm sure we'll get along just dandy...open mind you say.......Oh wait you likely didn't have any respect for me anyway...no worries, no loss

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

**Number One** · 10th July 2008, 16:35

Originally Posted by jrandom

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

Cheeky shit

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough

**007XX** · 10th July 2008, 16:35

Originally Posted by jrandom

I didn't say no respect. Just 'lose' respect. I'll still be your friend if you have nice boobies.

She's not half bad actually!

And yes, you two would get on famously!if you stopped bickering for long enough...

**Mom** · 10th July 2008, 17:44

Originally Posted by Number One

Cheeky shit

Nice? hmmm well they hold up a cocktail dress well enough

I will vouch for that, you do have nice tits!

Originally Posted by 007XX

She's not half bad actually!

And yes, you two would get on famously!if you stopped bickering for long enough...

It would be interesting to put the two of them together in the same room for sure. I reckon they are a good match intelectually too!

If it ever happens can we sell tickets?