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    You need to be fairly precise in your experimental setup - but yes, you are able to roughly determine the velocity (at the time of impact) by measuring the angular deflection of an object with a known mass.

    You'd use two wires to keep said mass rotate around a single axis. If you could precisely measure an arbitrary deflection (regardless of both magnitude and direction) a single wire would be adequate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    I shot a possom out of a tree last week with my home made avo cannon it died...
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    no, but theres plenty better at spelling
    It's not so much the speeling, it's the punctuation...or the lack of. Did the avo cannon die?
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisso View Post
    Very interestng...hmmm got any pics of this Avo cannon?. Ive got a Possum in my roof & as im a Kiwi i reckon im allowed to kill the fucker.Stupid animals are protected here. Would said weapon work on Rabbits too?
    yer i can post some up im in the process of makeing a bolt acton spud gun too.. If you want to increast the killing power hammer a big nail right thru the avo/potato or whatever

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    The simplest way of making a rough estimate would be to consider the problem from an energy conservation perspective.

    The increase in potential energy of your pendulum should be equal the decrease in kinetic energy of the projectile:

    dEkin + dEpot = 0

    This is pretty rough since some energy will be expended deforming your projectile, localised heating, wind resistance, non-perfect wires, etc.

    dEpot = (m+M)*g*dh - where m is the mass of the projectile, M the mass of the pendulum, g the gravitational constant and dh the change in height of the pendulum.

    dh = l * cos(theta) - where l is the length of the wire and theta is the deflection angle.

    The velocity should then be given by:

    v = sqrt(2*(m+M)*g*l*cos(theta)/m)



    It's important that you choose the weight of the pendulum carefully in relation to the weight of the projectile. It is also important that the entire projectile moves with pendulum. You need to establish the centre of mass of the pendulum fairly precisely - or use a very long wire.
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    Why don't you just post up the whole method of how to make one? With diagrams. And youtube links of it in action. And the police report....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom View Post
    yer i can post some up im in the process of makeing a bolt acton spud gun too.. If you want to increast the killing power hammer a big nail right thru the avo/potato or whatever
    Am I the first the raise the requirement for a firearms license...?

    As for the velocity, set the thing up to any angle (I'd choose 45 degrees giving max range), fire it, measure the range then click here
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    Quote Originally Posted by *Col* View Post
    Why don't you just post up the whole method of how to make one? With diagrams. And youtube links of it in action. And the police report....?
    google is your friend

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    As for the velocity, set the thing up to any angle (I'd choose 45 degrees giving max range), fire it, measure the range then click here
    Nice - but it doesn't take wind resistance into account. If the firing range is decent then the error on that calculation will be significant.

    Having half a metre between the muzzle and the pendulum would pretty much give you the muzzle velocity - with less error. The measuring is a bit more difficult though.
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    The title had me confused.......from then on its all been down hill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    Nice - but it doesn't take wind resistance into account. If the firing range is decent then the error on that calculation will be significant.

    Having half a metre between the muzzle and the pendulum would pretty much give you the muzzle velocity - with less error. The measuring is a bit more difficult though.
    I think close enough is probably good enough on this one... unless ultra long range stuff is going to be done. Avo vs. shipping might be interesting - even turn the tide in Iraq!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManDownUnder View Post
    I think close enough is probably good enough on this one... unless ultra long range stuff is going to be done. Avo vs. shipping might be interesting - even turn the tide in Iraq!
    I'm more concerned with the terrorist applications of these weapons. They can be made with x-ray transparent materials and smuggling on aboard a plane should be possible...

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    Meh who gives a hoot!!! Let's shoot some things....yyeeeaahhhhaaaa!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    The simplest way of making a rough estimate would be to consider the problem from an energy conservation perspective.

    The increase in potential energy of your pendulum should be equal the decrease in kinetic energy of the projectile:

    dEkin + dEpot = 0

    This is pretty rough since some energy will be expended deforming your projectile, localised heating, wind resistance, non-perfect wires, etc.

    dEpot = (m+M)*g*dh - where m is the mass of the projectile, M the mass of the pendulum, g the gravitational constant and dh the change in height of the pendulum.

    dh = l * cos(theta) - where l is the length of the wire and theta is the deflection angle.

    The velocity should then be given by:

    v = sqrt(2*(m+M)*g*l*cos(theta)/m)



    It's important that you choose the weight of the pendulum carefully in relation to the weight of the projectile. It is also important that the entire projectile moves with pendulum. You need to establish the centre of mass of the pendulum fairly precisely - or use a very long wire.
    thats great i was wondering how the length of the wire was going to factor into it that was my biggest problem

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikkel View Post
    Nice - but it doesn't take wind resistance into account. If the firing range is decent then the error on that calculation will be significant.
    Come one Mikkel its not like you to overlook anything.
    Yes doing the parabola test has fail in it - but not due to wind resistance - due to fact that it gives you average speed.
    Also shooting a avo into a bit of wood wont tell you speed if the wood spins, as the avo will deform loosing most of the energy.
    If you want the best calculaiton your going to have to time between 2 points.
    i.e. end of barrel to some distance that can be timed and is not too long.
    If you were really cheaky you could put 2 sensors in your gun. average the speed down the barrel.
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    Fire it directly up, measure how long it takes to hit the ground, apply maths ?!

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