Hyosungs and ethanol>>>NO GO

**Gremlin** · 25th July 2008, 19:08

Originally Posted by sinfull

For the same cost, or has the price of said feul come down ?

come down?

**sinfull** · 25th July 2008, 19:17

Originally Posted by Gremlin

come down?

I very much doubt it either, was more a P/T question lol
Its a bit like user pays ! Did our taxes come down ?

**TimeOut** · 25th July 2008, 21:29

Originally Posted by Gremlin

I love the forethought of this government. If I treated my clients like that, we wouldn't have any

I don't think Labour will have many clients (voters) left either

**scumdog** · 25th July 2008, 21:31

Originally Posted by merv

Finn we can't run the Lamborghini or the Maserati on this stuff.

Fuck yer Eyetalion cars, what about me classic Dearborn iron???

In the States they found out all sorts of problems (it don't like alloy, rubber) when it was introduced as Gasahol in the 80's-90's.

It won't be just High-oh-sung riders that will have worries using the shit.

**Ixion** · 25th July 2008, 21:32

Well, a PROPER Yankee grunter wouldn't have any alloy in it! Y' buy the cheap modern wannabe, that's what happens. Cast iron FTW.

**scumdog** · 25th July 2008, 21:34

Originally Posted by Ixion

Well, a PROPER Yankee grunter wouldn't have any alloy in it! Y' buy the cheap modern wannabe, that's what happens. Cast iron FTW.

Sadly they DO have fuel pumps and carbys - damn inconsiderate!!

**JMemonic** · 25th July 2008, 21:45

Originally Posted by Gremlin

I would hardly call a 2004 zx10 old

especially when you look at the cars that are on the road.

Agreed but to those who don't actually have to pay for their transportation, (hmm does the purchase of our rail system back count, nah it was the taxpayers money), anything older than last year is old.

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Plus, KTM and Aprilia, right up until this year is not even listed... so theoretically, its possible that 2008 motorbikes are not compatible.

Yeap heck I would actually like to see the list but that site seems to be down, those in power are morons with no clues, I mean they cant even get together on issues of road safety (or is that work out what road safety is) aside from heavier fines.

**Gremlin** · 27th July 2008, 04:18

Originally Posted by JMemonic

Yeap heck I would actually like to see the list but that site seems to be down,

hmmm a lot are mentioning this... I have downloaded the pdf and attached it, so if people just need to see the list of vehicles (bikes are on page 3) then here it is.

**Dino** · 27th July 2008, 09:13

Thanks for posting that up Gremlin.

After reading page four of the attachment it has to make you wonder why you would want to put ethanol in any vehicle.

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**brendonjw** · 27th July 2008, 12:50

Originally Posted by Gremlin

Plus, KTM and Aprilia, right up until this year is not even listed... so theoretically, its possible that 2008 motorbikes are not compatible.

I just bought a 08 Ninja and according to that list NONE of the Kawas can use it WTF

**JMemonic** · 27th July 2008, 13:49

Many thanks Gremlin, I don't know what it is but every time I try to access that site I get a page load error or better yet no DNS record when I check that.

**Big Zappa** · 27th July 2008, 14:46

Amendment No. 4

THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION OUTLINES THE KEY REASONS WHY VEHICLE MANUFACTURERS DO NOT RECOMMEND THE USE OF ANY ETHANOL/PETROL BLENDED FUELS IN VEHICLES.

Ethanol has a number of important chemical and physical properties that need to be considered in a vehicle’s design.

Carburettor Equipped Engines

Vehicles made before 1986 vehicles were predominantly equipped with carburettors and steel fuel tanks.

The use of ethanol blended petrol in engines impacts the air/fuel ratio because of the additional oxygen molecules within the ethanol’s chemical structure.

Vehicles with carburettor fuel systems may experience hot fuel handling concerns. This is because the vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol will be greater (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted) and probability of vapour lock or hot restartability problems will be increased.

As a solvent, ethanol attacks both the metallic and rubber based fuel lines, and other fuel system components.

Ethanol also has an affinity to water that can result in corrosion of fuel tanks and fuel lines. Rust resulting from this corrosion can ultimately block the fuel supply rendering the engine inoperable. Water in the fuel system can also result in the engine hesitating and running roughly.

Fuel Injected Engines

In addition to the issues mentioned above for carburettor equipped engines, the use of ethanol blended petrol in fuel injection systems will result in early deterioration of components such as injector seals, delivery pipes, and fuel pump and regulator.

Mechanical fuel injection systems and earlier electronic systems may not be able to fully compensate for the lean-out effect of ethanol blended petrol, resulting in hesitation or flat-spots during acceleration.

Difficulty in starting and engine hesitation after cold start can also result.

Exhaust and Evaporative Emission Levels

Lean-out resulting from the oxygenating effect of ethanol in the fuel may affect exhaust emissions.

Of more concern is that fuel containing ethanol can increase permeation emissions from fuel system components, particularly those that have aged for nearly 20 years. Therefore the increased vapour pressure of fuel with ethanol (if the base fuel is not chemically adjusted at the refining stage) will lead to increased evaporative emissions.

Good god sounds like some proper nasty stuff.