Social conditioning

[Number One]

I've got the flu, Sully60 is having his nightime sleep and I'm on here killing the time while the TV goes in the background.

Oprah was talking earlier about terrible and depressing stuff (as per usual ) and as 'only I can' my special filter was switched on so most of it flowed over me but...as I was 'not paying attention' something did pop into my head - no not that....oh well actually ok why not! AND anyway something else got me thinking.

We have played around the edges of it all a bit I think. I remember the fun of the thread about the article about how 'NZ women aren't considered ladies' - ooooo that takes me back ANd we have all the threads about how hard it is being male and how the media is on a crusade to make us all afraid of you middle class whiteys and well actually, no all of you boys and men out there! (seriously I do think it is a worry - I have a boy afterall)

Social Conditioning is dangerous...OR is it?

In the programme they were talking about womens intuition in relation to being attacked and how recognising, trusting it, harnessing it and going with it is critical for staying alive or even at times preventing any attack from even taking place. I find a swift kick to their groin and running my arse off while screaming loudly is a good fallback too

Then they went and talked about how, when you 'harness' your 'power' (not religous btw) it is recognizable to the attacker and they know you are going to give them a damn good fight so some will actually just vote with their feet.

Anyway I don't really wanna go on about violent attacks..too close to the bone for many of us here WHAT is of interest to me is how strongly do you feel social conditioning effects your thoughts and reactions?

Me? I have in the past made decisions that provided opportunity for me to be in harms way....despite that hair standing up on the back of the neck feeling..the one that told me I should really do something else..but stupidly I felt the overwhelming 'responsibility' almost to be polite!

Burp, Fart...fuck that!!! I'm well over it now

[oldrider]

Like Mrs Marsh's chalk, it does get in, eventually. John.

[Number One]

Thankyou C4

[scumdog]

I've got the flu, Anyway I don't really wanna go on about violent attacks..too close to the bone for many of us here WHAT is of interest to me is how strongly do you feel social conditioning effects your thoughts and reactions?


Burp, Fart...fuck that!!! I'm well over it now

Hmm the last line kinda summed up the post....


But social conditioning rules our lives - the reason why we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers.

Try being a male who has tassles on his jacket and bike fr'instance, you gotta be impervious to the 'social conditioning' regarding tassles otherwise you wouldn't have them.

[Patch]

Its not what but how we're drinking.








If you believe the goobermint induced hypo adverts. The conditioning is everywhere, all starts with our parents . . .

[Number One]

Hmm the last line kinda summed up the post....


But social conditioning rules our lives - the reason why we DON'T do a lot of shit is fear of the reaction of our peers.

Try being a male who has tassles on his jacket and bike fr'instance, you gotta be impervious to the 'social conditioning' regarding tassles otherwise you wouldn't have them.

I have been drinking

AND You have tassles?!

No seriously though - rules our lives? Should it really? If it should WHEN should it? As for worrying about our peers reactions...not all our peers are worth worrying about SO WHY DO WE?

[Number One]

If you believe the goobermint induced hypo adverts. The conditioning is everywhere, all starts with our parents . . .

Real fear machine out there running overtime huh?!

[ManDownUnder]

Social conditioning is HUGE. Just watch any married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him, vs his behaviour at home with his religeous wife and their kids. His behaviour will be totally modified by the expectations of the audience.

Or those that start off the ATNR saying "no no - I'm not going to speed this time..."

Same is true for most people. Interestingly - those that are less prone to it's effects tend to be admired by those that (usually unconsciously) know they are more affected by it.

[Number One]

Social conditioning is HUGE. Just watch any married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him

Yeah sure all those topless women wanted ya

[Skunk]

No seriously though - rules our lives? Should it really? If it should WHEN should it? As for worrying about our peers reactions...not all our peers are worth worrying about SO WHY DO WE?

Natural instinct. All animals that are in societies behave in a way that conforms with their peers.

Otherwise they are loners. Simple.

[ManDownUnder]

Yeah sure all those topless women wanted ya

Yup - but only after I'd proven the clap was all cleared up

[Number One]

Yup - but only after I'd proven the clap was all cleared up

I am sooo bored AND the COdrol is not helping me to be clear about what I'm trying to ask either....

[Number One]

behaviour will be totally modified by the expectations of the audience.

I think through my foggyheadedness that this is the key point in your post there for what I'm trying to say...why when the audience should really hold no sway do we still respond in ways that we know instinctively we shouldn't. SOcial conditioning has to be dangerous if it overrides your own instintive reactions to a situation. How do you for instance teach kids to fit in but NOT GET SUCKED IN...peer pressure is a right bitch, girlfriends boys is really suffering with this at the mo but adults are weak to it to.

[ManDownUnder]

I think through my foggyheadedness that this is the key point in your post there for what I'm trying to say...why when the audience should really hold no sway do we still respond in ways that we know instinctively we shouldn't. SOcial conditioning has to be dangerous if it overrides your own instintive reactions to a situation. How do you for instance teach kids to fit in but NOT GET SUCKED IN...peer pressure is a right bitch, girlfriends boys is really suffering with this at the mo but adults are weak to it to.

A ha ha haaaaa!!!!!!

Yup - tis a fine line to maintain one's individual self, and still conform to be part of society. To be anti social is a bad thing by the standards of most. The question is really where each of us draws that line.

How much of myself am I willing to give up to be acceptable to others (which in turn raises the question of why we need the accpetance of others - but that's a biological thing - some animals are social or pack animals, and some are not).

Challenge your kids - make them think for themselves and let them know when they should be proud of themselves (i.e. don't rely on the praise of others - rely on their own praise!). That way they'll always be accepted. After that - if "others" accept them or not becomes less of an issue... and they become less prone to peer pressures.

[CookMySock]

married guy in a room full of topless women all wanting him

URL ?

I have a finely tuned bullshit detector - can smell the stench of spin a mile off. I find "persuasion" an interesting topic - there is always someone who wants me to think differently - not that I am against this, I just want to be aware of it and decide for myself I will fully subscribe to that way of thinking or not.

Yes, everyone wants you for your mind.. Ironic innit?

DB