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You'll enjoy the 402. They are nice and sensitive and give a "high performance" feel to the controls. You have to keep thinking way ahead of the plane. I enjoyed flying one of them.Originally Posted by R6_kid
Marty has just started at CTC, in fact it is today!
I hear that CTC attracts students from UK with some sort of "guaranteed job, RH seat for Easyjet" or something.
There are also a lot of Indian students there.
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Haha, good old Marty. I might hit him up before I head down, might make it so that I can take the bike instead of the car.
The course you speak of is the $150,000 course they start in England, then move down to NZ for a large part of the syllabus before going back to the UK to do the 737 sim work. After 18mths you go into the right hand seat of an A320/737, but before you start you already know which air line you will end up with.
Right now im biding my time. I originally wanted to be doing my flying by March this year, but with the way things are going in the industry it seems to be worth taking my time and seeing what comes of the cadetships offered in Australia, and the pilots that go down that route. If I was to listen to what is said on PPruNe I probably wouldnt even bother being a pilot!
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A good way to get yourself prepared for third level airlines is to secure a job with Keith McKenzie at Mountain Air. He's widely recognized for producing pilots with a solid foundation, and is very professional.
A new CPL and MEIR is really just a licence to learn the trade. You won't have companies falling over themselves to employ you.
And in aviation.... never never never let your confidence exceed your competence... never
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CTC is a UK company, if you get in over there and pay the HUGE fees then you can make a very good career. However, I'm very nervous of guys who straight from flight school sim to a jet. We're loosing a lot of experience up front.
CTC here however, is not looked upon very well by the Airlines (well the ones I've spoken to anyway) as they prefer Pilots with real world experience. Eagle is the exception, as 99% of pilots with GA / ATTO time aim for Air Nelson so Eagle grabs up the Multi Instructors from flying schools.
Almost every organization in the country who have had someone at some stage end up in an Airline somewhere brag about it to attract more students. Just because some CTC guys went to Eagle doesn't mean everyone will. And the guys who don't will have a tough time getting a GA job.
Over in Indonesia there's and Accident, Incident or near miss every 7 minutes (or something absurd like that) reason being, many countries send people here to train, then they go home straight into a jet. Problem is, many of these guys are absolutely clueless. I trained with a guy who when doing his MEIR did an hour of circuits and forgot the gear everytime... passed his CPL after 500 hours, and his MEIR at 700, (after 3 attempts) went home, straight into a 737. Scary thought.
Honestly dude, if it's on the level then go for it. Air NZ is whispering very quietly about a Cadetship as well. They are becoming more and more common, just make sure there isn't any catches. Also, given the salaries they're offering and birds you get to fly I imagine they accept about .01% of applicants so would pay to have a plan B just incase.
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God I hope your joking....
It's true, the MA boys do well. But I wouldn't wish that fate upon my worst enemy. I know a lot of guys who have served and are some who are still... however, I wouldn't be surprised if they go bust soon.
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No, not joking at all. Keith gets pilots ready for the REAL world, with some discipline and professionalism.
I have been a CPL for a year or two, and have one or two hours under my belt, and have seen guys/girls do VERY well with the grounding they have had from Mountain Air.
I rightly or wrongly chose the career path I have travelled, but if I had wanted to go airline flying, I would have chosen very carefully the right path to follow.
MA are very unlikely to go down the tubes soon. It has very sound management.
I applaud people wanting to enter the industry... they just have to realise that the big gold/ flash jobs don't just happen. Qualifications are nothing without experience
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Yea, I do agree with you. MA is a great grounding for moving into the Airlines, I know a lot of guys who have gone through there and done well, but it was more to do with the fact they were flying Twin Engine Air transport opposed to any influence Keith had on them... infact he's hardly ever there (I'm referring to the Auckland base where I too spent some time)
MA has sold the Chetau base, and after the recent court case with GBA have re-branded to "Fly My Sky" however, recently I'm hearing they're not doing so well and are starting to struggle, cancelling flights and grounded planes. Most of my mates have all jumped ship now.
you need to update your info stream - they left for canada on the weekend. 2 cadets, fresh cpl/meir with about 220hrs.
eagle have also recently took someone with 30hrs multi (basic meir) but with 1500TT. he had done a MCC in the UK.
CTC do not have a lot of home grown instructors - they don't have the room to put classes through, so they offer fixed base salaries (instead of flight-only pay) and attract instructors from elsewhere. the Pilapt and selection process sorts out a few of the tryhards. granted the pay is not huge, but it's the best paid entry level c-cat job in the country.
some of the A-cats are getting better $$ than they were as captains at Eagle/Nelson.
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I Admit, it was 6 months ago when I was sniffing round CTC and Eagle and got that 600 figure. Although I'm still quite shocked to hear people with 220 hours will be on the 1900's.... I suppose they make up the top 1%, so like I said before, just because 1 or 2 do, doesn't mean everyone will... and I'd love to know how they're going to get the requirements for an ATPL flight test... but I suppose the industry is changing.
Yea guys with 1500tt and a basic instrument rating have been getting in for a while now. The training captains tell me the "Official minimum" is supposed to be 700 total and 100 multi, but those numbers seem to be only guidelines now. One of them has been hounding me to send my CV in, but I wanna get some more GA time and open more doors.
As for CTC's Pilapt, I found it to be a joke really. Some aspects were more intensive than what I went through for the Airforce and others were just too... odd... As for the industries attitude towards them, I suppose it will change soon, most of the the guys I've spoken to who are against CTC are all reaching retirement, and like myself believe a pilot should have some proper experience before jumping into an Airliner. It just makes me nervous to think how much experience people miss out on if they don't do some real flying post CPL. I'm talking loading a bunch of mates into a PA-28 and heading to the South Island for a few weeks, or flying tourists to Great Barrier and round corromandel. Some of the most important things about flying I picked up after I got my license, same could be said by most people who ride/drive. It's that experience from going out and doing it your on your own that separates people from the text book jockies.
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Yup, my sister's ex earned big bucks over there driving trains, even passenger units. He reckoned the train did 90% of the work for you! My sister dumped him tho, turns out he was a bad fuck.
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Sounds like computing is your forte...but if you wanna maximise your income you'll have to get out of the air-conditioning and get your hands dirty. Things may have changed but none of our IT/office staff in the mines made what the trades or underground staff could. A FIFO job is the go as rent in places like Karratha/Port Headland etc are mind boggling......and forget having a love life, although that's probably a good thing if you are trying to save money.
I gotta tell ya though I don't understand this pilot thang. I fly Wellington/Sydney (3 hours), Sydney/Darwin (4 1/2 hours) via commercial flight, then Darwin/Dili (1 1/2 hours) via charter Brasilia, then Superpuma chopper out to my platform (1 1/2 hours) and return every three or 6 weeks, not to mention training courses in Perth a few times a year, and I'm sick to fuggin' death of flyin'. Each to their own but it would drive me fuggin' mental.....
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this sounds like the average under 25 years old in the New Zealand social climate of today. The new "I want it free" crowd.
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