Illegal Websites

[CB ARGH]

Howdy guys,

Okay, now we all want to know about how to secure our bikes, obviously. So I'm googling ways to secure a motorcycle, trying different ways to say it (how to stop motorcycle theft, motorcycle theft, etc), and here rolls on a dreadful site...

r********s.com (I won't release the website name because I wish not to promote such a thing)

This gets me going... How on earth is something like this allowed? It contains COUNTLESS shoplifting information... hijacking... hotwiring, YOU NAME IT!

Isn't there a reason why there are the "Super awesome look-a-meee I'm an FBI agent put your hand in the air or our tele-electic supersonic system machines will make you do it"?

And coming to think of it, this sort of website/information is easily viewable by the younger generation (look how I found it!), which can lead them into all sorts of trouble which would wreck their whole lives!


It's like a bible for law breakers!

Shocked, unimpressed, disappointed.

[BiK3RChiK]

Welcome to the interweb...

[scracha]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.

[xwhatsit]

Anybody who proposes any form of internet censorship can Fuck Right Off.

[Steam]

Anybody who proposes any form of internet censorship can Fuck Right Off.

But surely the censor has a role in preventing child porn.

[CB ARGH]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.

Cross out the porn, then we have a deal.

[James Deuce]

But surely the censor has a role in preventing child porn.

He'd be a pretty busy Superhero if he tied that one on.

[bobsmith]

It is not the information itself that is evil. It is how people choose to use the information.

A site such as the one you described could be used to prevent the things described in the website from happening. I mean, by looking at how people would steal motorcycles, are you not more aware of how you should protect your bike?

Don't hate the internet. Hate the PEOPLE.

[Livvy]

Ever heard of "The Anarchist's Cookbook"?

You know, yes, I'm interested in learning this sort of stuff - I'm the younger generation. But hey, I'm not about to go about stealing stuff! I'm just curious, not cruel and/or stupid.

And I'm in no way defending crime-loving teens here, just because I'm a teen too - if they're big enough of fuckwits to do this stuff in an illegal sense, they deserve punishment, but try not to lump us all into a "omfg if they read this they'll all do it and the whole country will go to shit" catagory.

For example - ever lost your keys, and desperately needed to get home, but it's too late for a bus and you can't afford a cab: knowing how to hotwire your own bike would be pretty useful, wouldn't it?

Sometimes "bad things" aren't always used in bad ways. It's the intent, not the action.

[Tank]

I was reading about this in a manner on Kiwiblog.co.nz

cut / poor edit / paste follows: visit the site for more reading.

Here is a small extract from the interview the Herald did with Peter Dengate-Thrush, the NZers who chairs ICANN - the global allocator of domain names and IP addresses. Some extracts:

In terms of safety is the web getting better or worse?

“The internet is neutral about these things - it’s really a question about the users. One of the reasons I’m participating in this is to assist with the constant requirement for user education - in this case we’ll be educating the educators. It’s a bit like saying is fire a good thing or is the wheel a good thing. It’s good when it’s done properly.”


What are the biggest threats to our internet freedom?

“The biggest threat to the internet itself is developing the wrong culture along the lines that I was just talking about. If we get that wrong, it’ll be humans and the way that humans use this particular tool that will cause the problems. You’ve got to be clear - there’s nothing inherently good or bad in the technology itself, it’s what we choose to do with it.



Our own stupidity that could trip us up?

“Yes. The sort of threats at the moment come from people attempting to impose controls and that runs into all the usual problems that we’ve struggled with over the centuries of this civilisation.

“Where the boundaries are between harmful knowledge and harmful expression and the right to freedom of expression. Getting the balance right is always very difficult. It seems clearer in war time for example when there’s an acknowledged crisis, civil liberties are curtailed. Absent those circumstances we struggle to be as clear as we can. Another clear example is the universal prohibition on child pornography and the exploitation of children. Those don’t cause much debate - it’s in political expression and inciting racial hatred and these sorts of areas where the current debate is raging.

[CookMySock]

OMG. Next you'll be telling us that there's porn, bomb making sites and terrorists using the Interweb.

There IS ?

It is not the information itself that is evil. It is how people choose to use the information.

Yeah for example, porn is good, but wanking off over it is evil !

And I'm in no way defending crime-loving teens here, just because I'm a teen too - if they're big enough of fuckwits to do this stuff in an illegal sense, they deserve punishment, but try not to lump us all into a "omfg if they read this they'll all do it and the whole country will go to shit" catagory.

hrm, you don't mention the bit about not getting caught. Whatever you do, its really important to not get caught. Getting caught really sucks.

DB

[nodrog:Me]

It's like a bible for law breakers!

have you got a link?

[Gubb]

Anarchists cookbook FTW!

Welcome to the grey area.

I bet you have some sort of pirated/cracked serial code software on your PC.
Downloading music/movies/games is really no different to people in bands etc.

Except for the select few like NIN and Radiohead.

[Mikkel]

Don't worry - the people that might benefit from getting this information will be hard pressed if they ever tried to apply it. The professional thieves already know every trick in the book...

If the general state of the written word online is anything to go by, just give it a couple of years and these people won't be able to convey any kind of meaning through writing at all.

Oh - that and what Xerxesdaphat said. Fuck censorship! Closing your eyes and pretending that there's nothing bad out there won't make it go away.

[scracha]

Anarchists cookbook FTW!

Cripes. I remember downloading that on the old 2400 baud modem back in the "pre Web" days. Then kept seeing it used as court evidence to convict people. WTF? Every bored teenager downloaded it. Doesn't make us all terrorists.