Uni talk - Restricted Entry 2009

[motorbyclist]

I agree with your thought ... going to university nowadays to many people seems to be something that everyone does and they don't know why. I ask them what ya planning to do and 6 or 7 out of 10 most of the time will say I don't know - I am taking this paper because my friend is doing it or my grades allow me to do so or the career advisor think I am suitable or etc etc..

i can think of A LOT of people who fit that description, most of whom are doing arts, and a few who are doing science (and are unsure of what they want to do with the degree)

i mean, how many art historians do we need? political science? english? philosophy?

a lot of these subjects don't actually lead to anything more than teaching it. not saying they should be binned, but under the current system they get fees subsidised and some manage to get a student allowance to do something that doesn't actually offer anything back to the economy

languages are a good example of papers many people do and never use except maybe for that one trip to the one country that speaks it (that said if i learnt japanese finding bike parts would be alot easier... and i could take my mechatronics degree over there and make a small fortune)

[klyong82]

i can think of A LOT of people who fit that description, most of whom are doing arts, and a few who are doing science (and are unsure of what they want to do with the degree)

i mean, how many art historians do we need? political science? english? philosophy?

a lot of these subjects don't actually lead to anything more than teaching it. not saying they should be binned, but under the current system they get fees subsidised and some manage to get a student allowance to do something that doesn't actually offer anything back to the economy

languages are a good example of papers many people do and never use except maybe for that one trip to the one country that speaks it (that said if i learnt japanese finding bike parts would be alot easier... and i could take my mechatronics degree over there and make a small fortune)

Well not like that I just feel that only if you genuinely have a desire to obtain a tertiary qualification that is ok and does not matter what you are studying....but it is just those that have no clue what they are doing there I think it is wasting their time and tax payers money ...

This might not be directly related but I have always felt strongly about the NZ brain drain whereby after the government provide student allowance and student loans to educate students they fly off to another country to seek work....I suppose this restriction will help to reduce this...

[Real_Wolf]

If i could read japanese, I'd be able to understand what one of the lights on my dashboard is. Of course, its never come on, and the previous owner has never remembered it coming on.

I think it might be the "omg, your stuffed" light, so good thing it hasn't come on anytime

[Squiggles]

Quite possibly the speed light, supposed to come on when you go over 80k's

Do you think people take free entry for granted?

[vindy500]

Quite possibly the speed light, supposed to come on when you go over 80k's

Do you think people take free entry for granted?

my bike has a speed light at 80.


yes.

[motorbyclist]

If i could read japanese, I'd be able to understand what one of the lights on my dashboard is. Of course, its never come on, and the previous owner has never remembered it coming on.

I think it might be the "omg, your stuffed" light, so good thing it hasn't come on anytime

just ask banzai or any of the other several thousand japanese students who don't get govt subsidy to come here



about brain drain:

main issue is govt funding not offering a return on investment when engineers/doctors go overseas to get twice what they get paid in nz, but if a student does a degree that in no way leads to a higher tax bracket income, yet stays in NZ, isn't that an equal waste of money?

the NZ govt does give out "bonded merit scholarships" whereby if you leave the country for more than 6 months within x number of years your scholarship defaults to a student loan... but then you end up where you would be where you started anyway.

and looking at the numbers, i could be financially better off working in aussie and paying interest on the loan than staying here and paying it off interest free.... and that way they'd be taxing my income while i'm in a forgein country AND recieving more money back anyway so it's a win-win innit? well maybe a win-win if i come back after 5 years....


talking to some malaysian students in engineering, they get all their fees and expenses paid by their government to come to NZ to get a degree - only catch is they're contracted to work back home for 10 years....
i'd take that deal

[Ragingrob]

My bike has the speed of light too... It's more than 80 though.

Yo Andrew, what difference in riding have those tyres made on your bike? Being a larger rear and all?

It'd be cool if the studylink hardware completely crashed and lost all data on student loans.

[bomma]

man i dont understand how we could possibly want a heavier restriction on uni entry!!!! how insane is it to tell a child that they must choose what they wish to do for the rest of their life prior to entering high-school or even university?!?!?! i mean look at TEMASUPEROXIDE!! he had no idea what the hell he was going to do until he tried everything available to him and now he's pwning all us n00bs....i started off doing a bsc in psych coz my aunty has a Phd in psych and she said it was awesome and only in second year did i pick up my BCom conjoint and decide to focus on HR.....and EVEN NOW im unsure if im going to pursue HR as a career......

and i disagree with the economist perspective of "if this person gets into uni, what will their ultimate value be in terms of ROI"......HONESTLY what's wrong with more seats on bums?!?! coming from a population of more than a billion people and having seen the lengths families in india go to to get their children into schooling and especially higher education i think its AWESOME that in NZ any person has these oppotunities......isnt the whole point of studying to find out what we like/dislike and what we are good/bad at??

i think that any restriction should reflect the difficulty of the particular degree and/or course....it doesnt take too much to do a bsc or a bcom (subjective to particular courses) but engineering or med or pharmacy etc should and do already have restrictions.....dont see any reason to change

man this has gotten into a friggin essay.....ill just shutup now

[motorbyclist]

My bike has the speed of light too... It's more than 80 though.

Yo Andrew, what difference in riding have those tyres made on your bike? Being a larger rear and all?

what? viffer doesn't have a speed of light..... you don't mean the oil light do you?

i find the rear to be good in the sense that i hit pegs before i run out of rubber, but the rear does sit a bit square as a result so in the wet it can squiggle a bit (i need not explain how that ends), but overall a good tyre combo imho

though back when i had that nice pointy pirelli front and standard size rear it felt a bit more flickable and pitched into corners a bit faster

[klyong82]

about brain drain:

and looking at the numbers, i could be financially better off working in aussie and paying interest on the loan than staying here and paying it off interest free.... and that way they'd be taxing my income while i'm in a forgein country AND recieving more money back anyway so it's a win-win innit? well maybe a win-win if i come back after 5 years....


talking to some malaysian students in engineering, they get all their fees and expenses paid by their government to come to NZ to get a degree - only catch is they're contracted to work back home for 10 years....
i'd take that deal

I know where you are coming from bro...but the fact is if you were working in aussie or elsewhere sure the money is more but what are the percentages that these graduates will be making contributions to their loan? I know many people who just left and each year the interest accummulates...for a fact I know the IRD has no way of tracking whether you are working overseas or not so it is totally up to the individual if they are paying off the loan.....but there is no end to this debate..

Malaysians only if they get a scholarship and usually that is if you are a bumiputera (people of the land)....good deal mate....sadly I was not eligible even though i was an outstanding student..

man i dont understand how we could possibly want a heavier restriction on uni entry!!!! how insane is it to tell a child that they must choose what they wish to do for the rest of their life prior to entering high-school or even university?!?!?! i mean look at TEMASUPEROXIDE!! he had no idea what the hell he was going to do until he tried everything available to him and now he's pwning all us n00bs....i started off doing a bsc in psych coz my aunty has a Phd in psych and she said it was awesome and only in second year did i pick up my BCom conjoint and decide to focus on HR.....and EVEN NOW im unsure if im going to pursue HR as a career......

and i disagree with the economist perspective of "if this person gets into uni, what will their ultimate value be in terms of ROI"......HONESTLY what's wrong with more seats on bums?!?! coming from a population of more than a billion people and having seen the lengths families in india go to to get their children into schooling and especially higher education i think its AWESOME that in NZ any person has these oppotunities......isnt the whole point of studying to find out what we like/dislike and what we are good/bad at??

i think that any restriction should reflect the difficulty of the particular degree and/or course....it doesnt take too much to do a bsc or a bcom (subjective to particular courses) but engineering or med or pharmacy etc should and do already have restrictions.....dont see any reason to change

man this has gotten into a friggin essay.....ill just shutup now

Yeah bro seems like no end....i have strong opinions on this subject but i think i am gonna shut up tooo.........in the mean time I should be channeling my hard earn sales and profits to cayman islands so that the IRD dont tax me heavily to pay your student allowance I dont mind if it is Nish though haha

[Squiggles]

the NZ govt does give out "bonded merit scholarships" whereby if you leave the country for more than 6 months within x number of years your scholarship defaults to a student loan... but then you end up where you would be where you started anyway.

Im on such a scheme, for the 4 years of my degree, all my fees are paid, and i end up with 10grand cash, the catch? I must teach in new zealand for the same number of years i had my fees paid, within the next 6... or it just becomes a student loan. I can also take a year off mid study which i intend to do after my BSc and before my diploma

They only offer this for Science & Maths teachers, possibly to PE or Maori, cant remember exactly... I dont know if there are any other areas such a scheme is offered, but it works, seeing as there is a high chance that by the time im done, ill be around the age when you're supposed to get married, have kids etc... so more likely to stay in nz long term too...

[bomma]

get married, have kids etc... so more likely to stay in nz long term too...

i can just imagine the lil squiggle-lings running around, fixing the gn, hanging other people's bikes off the ceiling of the shed, with their scruffy unshaven faces and baggy ripped-up hoodie.....ah pleasant future

[Ragingrob]

You just made my relatively boring night Nish,

[motorbyclist]

Im on such a scheme, for the 4 years of my degree, all my fees are paid, and i end up with 10grand cash, the catch? I must teach in new zealand for the same number of years i had my fees paid, within the next 6... or it just becomes a student loan. I can also take a year off mid study which i intend to do after my BSc and before my diploma

They only offer this for Science & Maths teachers, possibly to PE or Maori, cant remember exactly... I dont know if there are any other areas such a scheme is offered, but it works, seeing as there is a high chance that by the time im done, ill be around the age when you're supposed to get married, have kids etc... so more likely to stay in nz long term too...

i didn't realise you were doing teaching too (that's a completely different scholarship btw, but same system)

i can just imagine the lil squiggle-lings running around, fixing the gn, hanging other people's bikes off the ceiling of the shed, with their scruffy unshaven faces and baggy ripped-up hoodie.....ah pleasant future

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best SMC post of the year

[BIHB@0610]

Restricting entry on some courses may be a good idea - those that (as have been said before) seem to attract people who just go to varsity for the sake of it.

But in the case of planning/resource management, I'd have to question restricted entry (entry's been restricted into planning at The University of Auckland since at least the early 90s, when I chewed my fingernails off wondering if I'd got in).

We are now facing a dire shortage of RM planners - great if you're in it for the huge salary (supply-demand etc) but as planners tend to go into the profession "for the greater good", most of us are really concerned at the state of things! I think it should be horses for courses - open entry in some courses (e.g. planning!), restricted in others.

But don't have open entry into planning for another 10 years - will give me time to buy more Mumm and Gucci ..... p/t.