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    free?they work for nothing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki View Post
    No wonder wages here are much higher here than average for developed nations...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki View Post
    It's not revenue if after paying tax and adjusting for inflation you have nothing, or less than nothing, is it? .
    Yep. Revenue is what you start with before you deduct expenses and pay tax. What's left at the end is profit (or loss).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maki View Post
    The thing is, if you save your money and put it into something like a bank account or some investment the government takes a huge chunk out of any interest/gains you make but if you lose money the government does not want to know. Is that fair?
    No. Now, I'm no bean counter but I believe the investment vehicle to which you are referring is an LAQC. A Loss Attributable Qualifying Company - or something. Basically what this means is that the losses the company makes can be offset against your own income tax.

    Again. I am not an accountant. But I give money to one and sometimes even listens to what he says. Until he starts harping on about Imputation credits then I'm totally lost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RantyDave View Post
    A Loss Attributable Qualifying Company
    Yes maybe.

    There are many ways to "legally" minimise your taxation but beware of taking advice off the interwebby as it is fraught with danger! Everyones circumstances are quite different and require different methods - so as to speak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MadDuck View Post
    Yes maybe.

    There are many ways to "legally" minimise your taxation but beware of taking advice off the interwebby as it is fraught with danger! Everyones circumstances are quite different and require different methods - so as to speak.
    Is it any less dangerious than taking advise from one trained by he who's job it is to take as much of your hard earned money as possiable regardless of the statues they are supose to administer, and who have taken an othe to lie so as to achive this objective if so necessary to do this job?

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    The trouble is that there are people (so I'm told) who are so wealthy they can live off the interest returns of their savings. Should such people be able to live any more tax free than the rest of us?

    Mind you, I do agree that inflation could be taken into account first. But then on the other hand my employer does not automatically adjust my income in line with inflation, perhaps that's just the other side of the same coin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clockwork View Post
    But then on the other hand my employer does not automatically adjust my income in line with inflation, perhaps that's just the other side of the same coin.
    Shit - mine does!
    Get another employer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidecar bob View Post
    Thats fine if every user pays, But i get a bit ticked off when the benificiaries get a special discount to compensate them for their loser status.
    The most loser comment i can ever recall being spat at me by a bitter & twisted benificiary was "I pay tax on my benifit", "Well guess what Einstein, Your benifit is my tax".
    Well said, sidecar bob!

    Genuine beneficiaries are acceptable enough but Labour has raised the cost with freeloaders. (Their Labour voters)

    Trouble is they (Labour) then chase all the real tax payers away overseas because the tax load is getting too bloody heavy here. John.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SPman View Post
    Shit - mine does!
    Get another employer.
    Yeah? Maybe that's an Aussie thing. It don't seem to work that way here in NZ
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    why not just invest where the goobermunt can't get their greedy mits on ya capital
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    Actually, its much worse than that. The biggest rip-off is still to bite you.
    Its called Kiwi-saver.

    Lets look at the BEST case.

    Assuming your Kiwi-Saver provider doesnt go broke
    Assuming your Kiwi-Saver tax subsidy is not reduced by a future government
    Assuming your Kiwi-Saver provider doesnt charge fees that reduce your income to nil
    Assuming your Kiwi-Saver eligibility date doesnt change

    Assuming your Kiwi-Saver works exactly as planned !

    Then you are rooted.

    Thats because you arent the same age as your partner.

    Right now, when the oldest of you reaches 65, you can BOTH go on the pension.

    If you earn a bit of pocket money its OK, but once you income passes $80 a week, you lose 90% in the dollar to pension abatement.

    Thats how kiwisaver will root you.

    You turn 65.

    The missus is a child bride, she's 55. You go on the pension, as a couple. But you don't get paid any money. As the child bride has invested in kiwisaver, she has an income. She can't get her hands on the money. She isn't even investing in it anymore. But the income she gets, (that she can't access until SHE is 65) abates the pension by 0.90 c in the dollar.

    So, you are really rooted.

    It effectively raises the age of retirement to 65 for the youngest partner, not the oldest.
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    Angry I agree with you Maki

    Quote Originally Posted by Maki View Post
    To me it seems ridiculous and bordering on the criminal, definitely a huge disinsentive for saving, unless of course you are investing in property.

    Of course property is non productive so why should investors be rewarded for investing in that and not productive entities?

    I am sure the answer to all this is staring me in the face, clearly the government is neither ignorant, short sighted, criminally greedy or stupid. So, can someone help me out?
    I agree totally, Maki. I am possibly in the same position as you. The government says kiwis should save more but then puts out clear disincentives to saving. I have saved a reasonable chunk of cash and have it in the bank. It earns a good amount per month in interest of which the government used to take 39% tax off that. I am taxed 39% on the earnings before I save as well and can't claim any expenses in earning that money or bank fees. Friends of mine have rental properties and have bought them with the clear intention of making a loss through negative gearing which they claim back to reduce the government tax take and often get a tax reduction for doing so. They won't be taxed on any profits they make when they sell their rental properties and are now upset that interest rates are going up and house prices are going down. They are only just learning that negative gearing works well when prices are going up and not when going down. I have put my appreciating assests and cash in a trust which means I pay less tax. Rental property can make a profit if it is positively geared but then you run into the same problems as you do with money in the bank, you are taxed at your highest rate once again. The government won't change the rules in my opinion for a couple of reasons;
    1.a lot of them own rental property, why would they ruin their profits?
    2.a lot of the growth during their term has been through speculative rises in real estate prices and associated spending, if they kill that off they kill the golden goose which has propped up a big chunk of the economy.
    I would like to be able to say vote out Cullen and his "let them eat cake" government but I think the next bu99ers will do the same thing too.

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