Should this forum name be changed to Formula 4 and 5 instead of Buckets

[Sully60]

Funnily enough, I reckon Street stock will have the same issue, cos its kinda hard to explain to people what Streetstock is at times.. not that I race in the class.

I just told people I raced 150's. When you live in Upper Hutt and you tell people you race streetstock they ask you if you drive a Valiant or a Falconokey:

[Skunk]

Its not a slang name...

Wrong. Buckets is a slang name. We all use it. Also, to address another point you raised, the track we race on is irrelevant.

if it imbrases you

Not at all. You'll hardly ever hear me call it F4 or F5 unless I'm referring to the sub class.

Now as the BUCKET club pressie when promoting bigger events we say 'buckets F4 and F5' it covers bota avenues.

There's the point.

Good points have ben made on both sides, how ever I have never had anyone contact me asking about F4 and F5... they say "Ive been hearing a lot about bucket racing, how do I get involved.

And off they go to the rule book and can't find the rules.

Lets keep the tradition cranking just like the airforce boys did.

It's the Airforce boys who got it recognised as F4 and F5 so they could compete at events like the Streetraces. It had to be a rulebook class with clear rules under MNZ cover. Otherwise you wouldn't be at Greymouth. Or racing at BEARS meetings. Or need a MNZ licence. Every meeting would be a black meeting.

Our bikes are buckets expect the FXRs abd CBRs... they are elegable street Stock bikes and should be knowen as F4.

Duh! Read the rulebook.

Anyway - the question never was should we rename the class; it was should we rename this forum.

Few if any replies have addressed that. Did anyone read the reasons for the suggestion? I'd guess not as most didn't even read the title!

[Buckets4Me]

Bucket forum foreva

[koba]

What about:
"Buckets. (F4/F5)"
Or

"Formula Four and Five Bucket racers, politically correct named, never excluding the height challenged formerly known as dwaves,
our semetic friends formerly known as Jews, the dutch, and the tangatawhenua.
Forum."




Ok I am taking the piss, I am personally not fussed as I can see benefits (no offence to anyone on one) to both names.
Buckets = Readily identifiable.
F4 / F5 = Tachnically correct and a wee bit posh.

[Skunk]

I think the challenge here is to get people thinking of highly modified small capacity bikes using a whole heap of No. 8 wire thinking when they hear the term bucket...rather than people thinking "bucket of shit"

Calling them Buckets and then explaining it comes from 'buckets of shit' is hardly going to help.

The name Buckets has always conjured up the image of crazy fun for me. Calling them Formula 4/5 doesn't seem right. They're a fun series, typified by names such as Pamela Bucket, North Welly Massif, etc.

True...

To me its Buckets, unless I wanna show it as a little bit more classy or try to explain that its is a smaller cc level of bike racing, then its F4/F5. People usually know what F1, 2 and 3 are, so F4 is fairly easy to explain as a smaller CC rating. And THEN I usually explain that buckets is another name for it. I like the term Buckets; its quirky, unique, and fun... really epitomises what Buckets are all about.

Exactly. I'm not suggesting we do away with the term Buckets, just include the official name to change the negative perceptions without destroying the positive; Buckets (F4/F5).

We all have fun racing 'Buckets' and build our bikes to the F4 or F5 rules.

[Rashika]

Few if any replies have addressed that. Did anyone read the reasons for the suggestion? I'd guess not as most didn't even read the title!

Corse we did, but why stop a good scrap... err discussion

[Skunk]

Corse we did, but why stop a good scrap... err discussion

You're right...

There's a hole in my bucket.

Hohohoho.

[Nasty]

Some backgroup on buckets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_racing

In addtion from the MNZ guidelines/rulebook

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...oad_Racing.pdf

Rule 24.1 "...miniture road racing class or 'bucket racing' ...."

[Skunk]

Some backgroup on buckets:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_racing

Yeah, well. I had a hand in writing that and used the slang name as in Aussie they have different rules.

In addtion from the MNZ guidelines/rulebook

http://www.motorcyclingnz.co.nz/down...oad_Racing.pdf

Rule 24.1 "...miniture road racing class or 'bucket racing' ...."

A little more of that sound bite:

24 ROAD RACING - MINIATURE

24-1 The Miniature Road Racing class or `Bucket Racing’ as it is also known, shall be deemed to include solo motorcycles and sidecars.

24-2 Motorcycles Technical:
24-2-1 Solo motorcycles shall have two engine capacity classes:

F4

2 stroke 55-100cc

2 stroke 55-125cc air cooled

4 stroke 55-150cc

F5

2 stroke 0-50cc

4 stroke 0-100cc air cooled

[k14]

Anyway - the question never was should we rename the class; it was should we rename this forum.

Few if any replies have addressed that. Did anyone read the reasons for the suggestion? I'd guess not as most didn't even read the title!

To be honest, I think it is the same question. If you change the name of this forum to something other than buckets you are by implication changing the name of it as percieved by the public in general.

As it has already been stated (by multiple people in this thread) that they have never heard of the term F4 or F5. I too have never heard people refer to the classes as F4 and F5. It is always buckets. At all race meetings, newsletters, online forums it is just buckets. I don't see the point of bringing in another naming convention just because someone thinks that the term is derogatory. If someone feels too insecure to call their bike a bucket then go and spend $30k on a superbike. Then you can sleep well in knowing that ignorant non-bikers will think you are cool!!

Thats my 2c anyway.

[Skunk]

To be honest, I think it is the same question. If you change the name of this forum to something other than buckets you are by implication changing the name of it as percieved by the public in general.

As it has already been stated (by multiple people in this thread) that they have never heard of the term F4 or F5. I too have never heard people refer to the classes as F4 and F5. It is always buckets. At all race meetings, newsletters, online forums it is just buckets. I don't see the point of bringing in another naming convention just because someone thinks that the term is derogatory. If someone feels too insecure to call their bike a bucket then go and spend $30k on a superbike. Then you can sleep well in knowing that ignorant non-bikers will think you are cool!!

Thats my 2c anyway.

The fact that some people are ignorant and don't bother reading the rule book is no excuse to continue with incorrect behaviour!

That is it in a nutshell. F4 and F5 is used so little that you don't even know it - and you're racing in it!

Anyway, I'm only interested in making more people aware of BOTH names.
Also F4/F5 sounds better when approaching councils and the like.

It may not help that you Southerners (with your big track) hardly see any F5 bikes; and that you've tweaked the rules into Superbucket and Production, which don't exist in the rule book.

[k14]

The fact that some people are ignorant and don't bother reading the rule book is no excuse to continue with incorrect behaviour!

That is it in a nutshell. F4 and F5 is used so little that you don't even know it - and you're racing in it!

Anyway, I'm only interested in making more people aware of BOTH names.
Also F4/F5 sounds better when approaching councils and the like.

It may not help that you Southerners (with your big track) hardly see any F5 bikes; and that you've tweaked the rules into Superbucket and Production, which don't exist in the rule book.

I should have been slightly clearer, I have always known F4 and F5 etc. But I haqve never heard anyone refer to the bucket class in the formal F4/F5 language. In the pits, online etc its always just called buckets.

[Skunk]

I should have been slightly clearer, I have always known F4 and F5 etc. But I haqve never heard anyone refer to the bucket class in the formal F4/F5 language. In the pits, online etc its always just called buckets.

Same here to be honest. Only we do have separate races for F5 at the Slipway so a call goes out for the 50's. Only it's a F5 race which includes 80cc 4 strokes (not that we have any).

I think I'm coming across as pedantic - it's not intended. I just feel we're losing sight of the class rules as each region does it's own thing and, over time, this will make it hard to have a National Championship.

I'd just like the see F4/F5 appear more often - especially when it matters.

[Kickaha]

this will make it hard to have a National Championship.

No it wont, when it comes to NZ champs the MNZ rules are all that matters

Oh yeah and can someone give some examples of when having the class/forum called Buckets has been detrimental to the class or anything to do with organising stuff for it?

[dangerous]

Thats my 2c anyway.

Na that was bloody well said.

Wrong.... title!

remember I was taking the piss with ya Skunk,

What about:
"Buckets. (F4/F5)"

Thats what I said... i have no worries with the name change having bote buckets and F4 in the title.

this will make it hard to have a National Championship.

Ahh crap man, we have a NZ GP reconition, we are reconasised at streat races and hold our own Tourist Trophy, BOB cup... we do bloody well man, what d you want an hour on Shell sport... ohh hang on we have been on TV already.

No it wont, when it comes to NZ champs the MNZ rules are all that matters

Oh yeah and can someone give some examples of when having the class/forum called Buckets has been detrimental to the class or anything to do with organising stuff for it?

damn straight...

I dont give a rats arse what its called... Ill always know it as Buckets, its as simple as that.
I was introduced to it as buckets and Ill finish up with it being buckets.