you think that watercooling would make that much diff on the 125 at around 20hp ???
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you think that watercooling would make that much diff on the 125 at around 20hp ???
Una Storia Italiana
Ya know what I reckon we should be able to do that, the stroker isent able to keep up with the hotest FXR's and the CDR's.Originally Posted by Buckets4Me
I wana go as fast as I can but i dont want to join the Jones, I want to be a little different rather than have the attude "well cant beat em join em"
I feel a new thread comming on.
Yes, airheads start loosing power as they get hoter, and this is more notisable with worked engines.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
Well to water cool it you would jam on a 100cc barrel & then cool it & give it a nice fresh bore to near 105 if you were really game, then fire on a whacking great carb if it has a big enough disc entry. You could then run a tighter clearance & use a modern piston for a water-cooled bike (they are shaped different to air-cooled ones).
The question does then tend to beg "what kind of power do you want?"
For a 5 speed gearbox running on kart tracks, I'd have to say "Wide please" So maybe a air cooled 125 with 24mm carb isn't such a bad way to go. If you had 6 gears & were prepared to make a rev monster then you would net more power from a watercooled 100 with big carb.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
In the riders seat
A decent stroker will beat the FXR/CBR riding homos, just no one down here has built one, even the DC bike wasn't as hot as it could be
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
No8 Wire Extraordinaire
What stroker? a hot 100 will still beat 150s in a straight line. The 100 I was riding at BOB (when I wasn't falling off it) lead the first prelim for a while when I out-dragged all the 150s. Just I couldn't keep my head together to keep going fast on it. I need more time to learn it's 'odd' handling characteristics.
DC proved that an aircooled bike can go fast. My aircooled 125 was only doing 18-19hp in the first cut, I could have brought it up further, but have decided to go back to my watercooled MB100.
Work your engine proper D.
Don't you look at my accountant.
He's the only one I've got.
Una Storia Italiana
no it wasnt/isnt... but whos going to spend that much money and time on a engine that needs new rigs every meet when a CBR will go seaso after season?
Its not the hot engine in that case its the frame... a production Grand Prix frame and a light as rider that knows his shit.
my engine has been basterized, Id love to start fresh but that would cost $$$ that I dont have.
cheers DD
(Definately Dodgy)
bucket blingster
Don't forget those CBR riding nippers are probably 30 kilos lighter than you D!
Bucket Racer/Crasher
Pete Sales pretty well guarantees 22hp from an MB100 nowadays. It'll last years as well. Been there.
In the riders seat
If it needs rings every meeting then it hasn't been built right,and it'd still be cheaper to build and run than a CBR
"If you can make black marks on a straight from the time you turn out of a corner until the braking point of the next turn, then you have enough power."
now where's some dirt!
I think you're wasting your time telling him that, in one ear and out the other. I bet tony mc at levels quite comfortablly on my CB and that was the bike that won bob. If someone got a decent cb together that would easily be up there too!
MotoFXR's will rule the world!
You are full of shite you big Gingernut..........I would put money on DC's 19HP detuned from 21 hp (to make it rideable) GP framed weapon with his 65kg carcase can compete and beat a CBR.........Have a good look at the CBR......A GOOD look, they aint that flash, check the shock out, crap commuter thing for carrying two chooks and a bail of hay. They appear fast to you beause you are so dam slow.
As for loosing power.....DC's air cooled MB won (by over 1/2 a lap)a MCC 35 min enduro on the full circuit of ruapuna against water cooled RG150's Street stockers and that was when it was a 100cc ( does that mean RG's should be allowed into buckets if they got cleaned up by a bucket?). What you would gain in power you would go close to loosing in weight.
I'd like to see a good tuner like F5 or Speedpro down here and tune and set up a bike for our tracks........We don't have anyone down here who has the two smoke skills, wants to, or has a skinny arse.......Currently Diesel Pig is the fastet two smoker (same spec as DC's) but hes probally 30 kg heavier.......DC will come out of retirement and we will be shitting on RS frames because thats not cricket all because hes winning all the time!
The 4's are winning 'cause the 2's arn't. Your bike, DC's bike, DP's bike, Yellow Peril all are capible of cleaning up ANY 4 on the day with the right tune and rider.
*Rant over....pull your head in Gingernut!
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
Bucket Racer/Crasher
Don't forget to take a breath now and again.
bucket blingster
Bring on The Toad!!!
2 smoke lover
No it's not, My H100 is in a very soft state of tune. Now Dangerous will not understand this but Speedpro or F5dave may well do. It has barely 190 degrees of exhaust timing, this is because the current transfer port timing will not support more without making it a pipey piece of shit.
Having ridden DC's bucket twice ( Once as 100cc and once as a overbored and carb restricited) I can say my bucket is not as fast in a straight line as DC's.
Seat of the pants I would say my bucket is 2 to 3 hp down right now.
Compare Pornography now to 50 years ago.
Then extrapolate 50 years into the future.
. . . That shit's Nasty.
MotoFXR's will rule the world!
Sorry I stand corrected.........I ment more same engine and frame package.
I see a pattern forming here.......we all think you're full of brown stuff Dangerous! As for your engine being bastardise? I question that, because that same engine could go close to matching DC's for top end. If you need to save some money park your old shitters up and ride R's MotoFXR and money you will save. We will then see if it you or your bike that is slow
Its harder to lose weight than gain horsepower.
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