Looking for a 250

[Zim_Invader]

note to newbies... creating a thread that become a very very long one can have detrimental effects on your sanity... haha. bewre, u've been warned. ! haha. enjoy this lads. a first bike is one thing u never frget. it's like flying your first solo... your first ride home with a bike that is your very own... u'l recall all the details. for years to come! it's like evryythin is embedded into your memory in extsra slow motion, for clarity and sheer joy!!!! ... so, soak up and enjoy!!

[Ragingrob]

Or just buy a bike, and ride it...

Works for me.

[Zim_Invader]

hahah.. u're such a buzz kill... reply with more words! haha. (show us teh passion u have for biking!) haha. but i agree. find and just buy. i've texted teh importer i got my bike from. no word back yet, so gonna ride past his work tomorrow. if he's not there i'll give him a call and see what he has in stock. i'll update here as i get more info.

[bomma]

also, on teh fairly hi speed turns, i've been getting more sure to the ild back brake to cut my speed... gently footwork, and slight front. everytime i front braked before, the fron would buccle (ever so slightly, so i'd release the brake and cut throttle, straighten up and slow down, then resume turn at a near stopped speed)... so just to get ths one point right, if it's too late into a turn and u realise u're too quick, with no more lean to spare, is it better to get a bit upright and ure more back brake than front, as it gives u a bit more control. (found that fron brake in a turn killed the ability to turn tighter all at low speeeds ofcourse).

- so, basically cut throttle, get as upright as possible, brake (front and back, and if the kerb then get too close to keep straight line braking, bank hard and turn more, now at a lower speed (bake brake helps t swing the front a bit more, when done with a lot of care and control)...? hope that's right. otherwise i've been playing russian roulette, and gotten away too luckily.

if you find yourself caught up shit's creek while cornering, remember one thing - your bike will go a lot harder than you will. if you think you are goin too quick around the corner, AT ALL COSTS FIGHT YOUR INSTINCTS TO BRAKE AND GET UPRIGHT!! this will usually find you at the bottom of a ditch or ko'd on the curb.....AT ALL COSTS FIGHT THE URGE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS DIRECTLY AHEAD OF YOU!! where the head goes the body follows and target fixation is an unruly bitch!! if you stare at the corner you are trying to avoid, buddy you are already fucked!!

keep looking around the corner, the bike will keep going.

if you are not already peg scraping, then there is obviously more lean so the bike can handle it.

dont get hard on the brakes. feather them both and throttle off to lose speed but dont get on them coz that will severly decrease your cornering ability and you WILL be fucked. if you get hard on the front while leaned over YOU WILL BE FUCKED. If you get hard on the rear while leaned over YOU WILL BE FUCKED. it's a fine margin between enough and too much in such events so it's upto your understanding of your machine that will ultimately see you through. nuff said

learn from this and brake earlier next time so you can avoid such incidents

[Zim_Invader]

if you find yourself caught up shit's creek while cornering, remember one thing - your bike will go a lot harder than you will. if you think you are goin too quick around the corner, AT ALL COSTS FIGHT YOUR INSTINCTS TO BRAKE AND GET UPRIGHT!! this will usually find you at the bottom of a ditch or ko'd on the curb.....AT ALL COSTS FIGHT THE URGE TO LOOK AT WHAT IS DIRECTLY AHEAD OF YOU!! where the head goes the body follows and target fixation is an unruly bitch!! if you stare at the corner you are trying to avoid, buddy you are already fucked!!

keep looking around the corner, the bike will keep going.

if you are not already peg scraping, then there is obviously more lean so the bike can handle it.

dont get hard on the brakes. feather them both and throttle off to lose speed but dont get on them coz that will severly decrease your cornering ability and you WILL be fucked. if you get hard on the front while leaned over YOU WILL BE FUCKED. If you get hard on the rear while leaned over YOU WILL BE FUCKED. it's a fine margin between enough and too much in such events so it's upto your understanding of your machine that will ultimately see you through. nuff said

learn from this and brake earlier next time so you can avoid such incidents

cheers! that clears that up. yea, have reduced corner entry speed lots recently. i figured, if i can take it faster, then i'll increase speed in the turn, but it'd be stupid to get into it and be all PANIC-JACK trying to find my way out of one big ass mess. but wull keep chin up and keep my eyes in teh right direction. brake use, minimal, all throttle control!

bling there too, t u nichey!

[motorbyclist]

as i said before - if it's blind you need available lean

this means if a car comes around on the wrong side of the road - and believe me they do - you can go either way around them, preferably to your left or the opposite to what they're doing. sideswipe or clip is better than a head on.



if it all turns to shit mid corner your actions will reflect what the problem is:

corner gets tighter: use that lean and keep looking around corner, don't button off too much or things may go pear shaped. if you don't know the road you should be aware that sometimes a 35 really means 35; going blind into a 35 at 70 will not end well no matter what you do.

rocks, mud, pothole, dushi's bike: look at your escape route and your bike will go there - if you lean too far over it'll lowside and you'll be better off behind bike than infront of it. bomma fucked this up and looked at the rock, hit it and landed in a ditch. bike then followed him into said ditch.

gravel, water, ice, mud etc that can't be dodged: travel straight(er) & upright(er) over the slippery stuff and crank back over once you're clear. basically don't try to turn faster than traction allows, and when you lean back over you'll be on a dry bit of rubber again. i find brakes are effective at scrubbing speed and getting bike upright, and the NC30 could slide at least a foot without detriment (don't expect that from a vtr though)

oncoming traffic: think of it as a really big rock, as above.

bikes don't brake well in corners due to lack of traction. what they DO do well is dodge things. target fixate on the safe spot and dont panic


of course, to be safe we should not be going flat tack into blind corners. the road is not a racetrack. if you crash mid corner due to a "surprise" that was there before you entered the corner you were travelling too fast.
follow someone who knows the road, pick roads you know and be aware that things can be dodgy after recent rain/storms, and try not to cut into the inside of a corner until you can see a clear exit.



goddammit i sound like an old man

[Slyer]

Better than an old woman.

[bomma]

rocks, mud, pothole, dushi's bike: look at your escape route and your bike will go there - if you lean too far over it'll lowside and you'll be better off behind bike than infront of it. bomma fucked this up and looked at the rock, hit it and landed in a ditch. bike then followed him into said ditch.

hehe was staring into the car actually....still remember the looks on both the driver and the passenger's faces but yea what i sould have been doing is looking around the corner....something that i have learnt from and will ensure NEVER happens again

of course, to be safe we should not be going flat tack into blind corners. the road is not a racetrack. if you crash mid corner due to a "surprise" that was there before you entered the corner you were travelling too fast.

+1385027403249 better to say "hey look there is a rock in my way, better dodge it" than to say "HOLY SHIT I CANT BELIEVE I DODGED THAT ROCK!!!" or worse

[Squiggles]

I've got a couple of articles from bike mags to post up later, will put them in another thread but they're definately worth a read while we're on this topic....

[Phurrball]

because it's a 250 motor in the 600 chassis

which is completely friggen backwards

Oh.

Again - Why??

(I know, I know - blah blah production costs, platform sharing etc...but still WHY?! Small bikes are good BECAUSE they're small and their tyres are in proportion to the rest of them. Why, why, why...)

Edit - sorry to sidetrack from the discussion. ^^^ The wise words of the gentlmen above belie their years. Chur fullas!

[Squiggles]

Tada! They're hosted on photobucket, there are two articles there, one on the "Panic" response, the other on picking/executing your lines
http://s460.photobucket.com/albums/q...ag%20Articles/
Both are good reading for all riders

[Slyer]

Sweet cheers.
/me reads

[Hanne]

come buy MY bike!
Her name is Madison, she enjoys long rides up North and is incredibly style-conscious.
Call her.
She's waiting....

[Slyer]

Got a price yet hanne?
The purple colour should bring it down to nearly free right?

[bomma]

i'll give you $20 and you pay for the new paintjob