That's it. Not voting for Nat

[davereid]

Fact is for example if the average DPB is $450 wk , equates to $11.25 hr after tax means they have to give up being at home to get close to $16.00 hr. Take child care costs out of it, where is the sence in getting a job. The Nats think there are 33,000 in this situation. Where are there 33,000 casual jobs out there, when we are heading in to a recession.

You have just hit the nail on the head.

What you have demonstrated is that a basic benefit like the DPB is worth much more than a low skill job.

That seems to explain why many New Zealanders are happy to stay on a benefit. Because, if they have no skills, so they are much better at home watching TV.

But the New Zealanders who choose to work are penalised as a result.

For a beneficiary to take home $11.25 in a benefit, a worker on $16 an hour had to work for 3.5 hours to pay the tax to pay them.

Who is really the victim here ?

Is it too much to ask that we all work for our pay?

[Qkkid]

Life is not meant to be simple or easy .Having kids is a choice. People should consider them selves lucky to have help for 6 years. If you are worried about havin a kid dont take the chance of having sex. Its simple really. To many people bleed the system and i cant be fucked paying for it . I say get off your arse and work. If you dont like it i dont care some countries have no welfare system at all. Work to eat or starve, you then would soon learn to work, learn to work hard then you might get somewhere. If we did not have so many hand outs our taxes would be alot less and i am all for that. Nothing should be free in life.

[southernmike]

"If elected, National would require those on the DPB to undertake part-time work once their youngest child is aged six or over. It will set a 15 hour a week minimum work requirement."
[FONT=Comic Sans MS]Have they no thought of what pressure that will put on genuie Solo Parents? Kid care as far as I am connerned is a full time job. It's an 24hr 7day-a-week on-call job. Reward those that do find work but back off those that find being a Solo Parent hard enough.

That's the pressure TWO WORKING parent families have to deal with now. Been there. The result: It creates SOLO parents.

[doc]

You have just hit the nail on the head.

What you have demonstrated is that a basic benefit like the DPB is worth much more than a low skill job.

That seems to explain why many New Zealanders are happy to stay on a benefit. Because, if they have no skills, so they are much better at home watching TV.

But the New Zealanders who choose to work are penalised as a result.

For a beneficiary to take home $11.25 in a benefit, a worker on $16 an hour had to work for 3.5 hours to pay the tax to pay them.

Who is really the victim here ?

Is it too much to ask that we all work for our pay?

My take on the situation is that those on a benefit are basically on survival mode they aren't rolling in it, if they get a real job there is very little advantage. I'm on well above the average wage and feel if I could get the DPB with my assets I'd kick back and do the same.

DPB wise don't attack the reciever, why not attack the cause of the problem . The fathers who avoid their responsibility.

Someone has to carry the can in our society. The taxpayer is the only option at present.

[Qkkid]

My take on the situation is that those on a benefit are basically on survival mode they aren't rolling in it, if they get a real job there is very little advantage. I'm on well above the average wage and feel if I could get the DPB with my assets I'd kick back and do the same.

DPB wise don't attack the reciever, why not attack the cause of the problem . The fathers who avoid their responsibility.

Someone has to carry the can in our society. The taxpayer is the only option at present.

Simple you get preggy as a women dob the guy in dont shelter him. If you cant come up with a dad then no benefit. You cant tell me Women dont know what night they got pregnant on they are pretty accurate these days. We pussy foot around to much.
Take the benefit away you will work i gaurantee it. So then there will be no disadvantage. Its the family support/society have broken down these days. Why should i pay for someone elses kid.
There is no easy answer but hand outs are not the answer.

[Jantar]

....DPB wise don't attack the reciever, why not attack the cause of the problem . The fathers who avoid their responsibility. ...

No, Don't blame the fathers. Many fathers are paying considerably more than the mothers are receiving. In my case, back in 1996, after splitting from my ex, I had one child, she had two, and I was paying $1200 per month. She was receiving just over half of that amount on DPB, and she didn't contribute anything to the child I was supporting.

[doc]

No, Don't blame the fathers. Many fathers are paying considerably more than the mothers are receiving. In my case, back in 1996, after splitting from my ex, I had one child, she had two, and I was paying $1200 per month. She was receiving just over half of that amount on DPB, and she didn't contribute anything to the child I was supporting.

Well explain why you didn't just give her 1200 a month and avoid the Taxpayer being involved.
Not trying to wind you up , but if you gave her the money legitit. why do we have to pay as well

[Jantar]

Well explain why you didn't just give her 1200 a month and avoid the Taxpayer being involved.
Not trying to wind you up , but if you gave her the money legitit. why do we have to pay as well

I offered a private arrangement, but she preffered the DPB. Maybe that indicates part of the reason we split.

[Robert Taylor]

I would likle to see an incoming Government really target ACC fraud, for example ''Ive got a bad back and cannot work'' Hard one to prove and just how many over the years have got away with it?

[Movistar]

The whole DPB/Child support system is pathetic.
I could ramble on for hours my views on these "support" systems - none of which are favourable to the way they are calculated, or given out!

I was a young father at age 17 (just) and it was a tough time. From the birth of my daughter through till the time she came to live with my wife and I last August.
Yes there were options (abortion) that could have been taken, but I/we were young and naive and thought 'we can work through this.'

I am all for people receiving a benefit, that are capable, earning that benefit, and not just people on the DPB but also Unemployment Beneficiaries.

After the spell of recent weather, with people that work full time needing assistance to get there properties/businesses back up to pre-storm condition, this would be an excellent opportunity for insurance companies, government and private people to seek assistance from those that fill in their days by less proactive activities.

You are never going to come to an agreement that suits everyone, but steps need to be put in place to prove that if you want to live in New Zealand, or move to our fair shores, that you have to be prepared to earn your keep, not just expect a handout.

[Movistar]

I would likle to see an incoming Government really target ACC fraud, for example ''Ive got a bad back and cannot work'' Hard one to prove and just how many over the years have got away with it?

I second that RT, how many people do you know of that you are convinced are ripping the ACC system for "bad backs" alone...

[Deviant]

I was going to vote for the Nats last time, but they ripped each other apart in the lead up then put up a website that told me I'd have $56 per week more in my pocket under Labour- The taxcuts.co.nz site.

Not the type of intelligence or behaviour I want running my country...

We need a change, but it needs to be the right one.

[The Tazman]

My take on the situation is that those on a benefit are basically on survival mode they aren't rolling in it,

That's cause they spend it all on fags, booze Sky TV big screen TV's and everything but getting themselves on their feet. I can't afford sky, I have a 15 year old TV and struggle to have a ride out on my bike which I spent years saving to buy. I only have a car because I haven't had more than 4 days off in a row for 3 f**king years and got enough holiday pay when I left my last job to buy a 14year old car.

I'm sick of these f**ks getting everything for nothing and I'm helping to pay for these things for other people that I can't afford for myself.

As for kids you should have to have a license to have them. You have to for a car or bike!!!! Yet something as important as a life, no lets not worry about that, we'll just have all the low life f**ks just pop them out to get more money where as all the hard working people plan and wonder how the hell they can afford it.

I fully agree with someone (sorry can't remember who) that said they should get vouchers for food and cloths for the kids. It's about time people were made responsible for their own actions instead of always blaming someone else or relying on someone else to pay or do everything for them.

Makes my blood boil.

I hope National start to stop all this PC crap and start getting back to reality.

They'll be getting my vote on this matter

[Rookie Rider]

I understand that people will be frightened at such changes - people get set in their ways. HOWEVER there are MANY families in New Zealand that have 2 parents that are working just to keep their heads above water, It is surely not the ideal situation for anyone and we ALL would like to be available to our kids 24/7 but that is not even a reality for 2 parent families!!!!!! Get a life and get real join the rest of us and help our country grow - taking without giving back tires everyone. Oh and i believe that if you are on the DPB and have another child - then you should not get any more money for doing so - that is your responsibility!!!!!
There is a very genuine need for some to use the DPB - keep it genuine.

[SixPackBack]

I would likle to see an incoming Government really target ACC fraud, for example ''Ive got a bad back and cannot work'' Hard one to prove and just how many over the years have got away with it?

I think you will find the government is not that naive, in order to qualify medical testing must take place-Doctor, Muskoskelatal specialists, X-ray, MRI. etc...in virtually all cases physical evidence is available

'Bad backs' are usually characterised by 'pinched/trapped nerves' this causes inflammation and as a result medication and rest must be undertaken, once the patient has rested for a while the inflammation subsides. This allows resumption of normal activities as the nerve is freed up a little, however the underlying cause is still present and soon returns. This why we see folk with bad backs apparently seem normal some of the time.

I can attest to the depths of pain trapped nerves cause and the bizzare manner in which the pain is present; additionally [in my case] I applaud ACC in getting my surgery promptly, supporting and rehabilitating me; their performance was flawless.