That's it. Not voting for Nat

**Brett** · 11th August 2008, 22:24

It seems that in life there are two kinds of person (as a generalisation).

1) Those who go out into the world determined to make something of themselves and wo make the very best of their life possible, while not expecting anyone else to make it happen for them or to be the wave that they can surf.

2) Those who want to ride the system, happy to be the status below quo and who are basically non-productive. There are plenty of solo mums out there who hold down 75% - full time jobs and make the very best of what is really a fairly difficult situation. These I would not put into the same category as a DPB bum.

Now, what would be fair, is if the mum who goes out and works for and does her best to priovide for her family (while also being a mum who balances life and is at home with the kids to do homework, make sure healthy food is eaten etc.) is given some extra incentive. If she is doing the very best for her family, then shit...if the bills are coming in a bit short now and again, I beleive she should be helped. But to sit on ones arse and expect it to be coming their way...that is puire arrogance and laziness.

**puddy** · 11th August 2008, 22:54

I'll be voting National again.............. but what worries me is that as long as your youngest is younger than six...........(solution-just keep having kids!)...........we sterilise animals............more's the pity! Yes ....I know, I'm a NAZI! (FU##EN liberals!)

**Robert Taylor** · 11th August 2008, 23:18

Originally Posted by R1madness

Go national. The more they put the pressure on bludgers the more hard working kiwis will vote for them. I am sick to death of hearing about the poor single parents, dole bludgers, criminals, and all the others that rip off my taxes and do nothing for the country. We need a system that rewards hard work, not bludgers.

Absolutely. They talk about stress on DPB mums, what about stress on businessmen? Oh sorry thats right, being in business is a license to print money.
Actually working for a living is a concept foreign to too many of our countrymen and it is high time that we get back to reality. The Government is there as a safety net, not as a means of living.
National will gain more votes than lose them on this policy.

**RiderInBlack** · 12th August 2008, 06:23

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

No, it wont. Because if we ever have children, we'll make damn sure we can afford them first.

I have seen life twist that one around so many times. How can you be so sure that you will be able to "afford" kids until they can support themselves? What if one of you leaves, You get badly injured and need care yourself, you get made redundant or are fired, after you have had the kids?
Are you not going ta have sex or have ya tubes tired until ya can afford kids? Don't be so sure that having "protected sex" is going ta work 100% at stopping pregnancy. Have friends with kids due to failed condoms and pills not working. One of them only got pregnant on the pill.

**yungatart** · 12th August 2008, 08:19

Originally Posted by pete376403

So where are all these 15 hour per week jobs come from? Is there a large pool of part time jobs crying out to be filled at present?

Plenty of schools are crying out for trained teacher aides. A maximum of 26 hours per week, term time only. A lot of schools will even fund the training.

**davereid** · 12th August 2008, 08:41

Somehow there seems to be an attitude from Sue Bradford and some others posting here, that working for a living is punishment !

Almost like the Nats are trying to ruin peoples lives by leading them by the nose to work.

I've always seen work as opportunity, a way of improving my life, and my families life.

New Zealanders are slowly but surely becoming addicted to welfare, possibly encouraged by policies like the DPB and working for families.

For my money, this policy by the Nats is a small, and timid step in the right direction !

**MSTRS:Me** · 12th August 2008, 09:05

Whilst there are many people who need (rather than want) the DPB, which is what it, and the dole, was designed for, the problem is that it became the easy option and open to abuse. There are 3rd generation benefit kids now spitting out the next round of future recipients. Something has to change. Now.
The biggest problem that I have with any benefit is that everytime a recipient has another kid, the amount they receive is increased. That right there is all the incentive anyone could want to stay on to bludger lists. My opinion is that the system should be changed to negate entitlement to extra with kids (conceived) produced whilst on said benefit. Perhaps that will be the next move in breaking the cycle of dependency?

**Oscar** · 12th August 2008, 09:10

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

"If elected, National would require those on the DPB to undertake part-time work once their youngest child is aged six or over. It will set a 15 hour a week minimum work requirement."
Have they no thought of what pressure that will put on genuie Solo Parents? Kid care as far as I am connerned is a full time job. It's an 24hr 7day-a-week on-call job. Reward those that do find work but back off those that find being a Solo Parent hard enough.

see:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/category/s...ectid=10526362
&
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/4882...ficiaries-work

Why should parents on the DPB have the luxury of making that choice?
There are plenty of working parents who don't get to stay at home at all. The kid goes to a creche ASAP so as the parents can make ends meet.

**Pixie** · 12th August 2008, 09:15

If one DPB recipient can manage to work in his/her spare time,they all fuckin' can

**Oscar** · 12th August 2008, 09:15

BTW: Who heard our wonderful Prime Minister refer to solo parents on RNZ as "Heroines"?!

**McDuck** · 12th August 2008, 09:44

Ifi can do 30+ hours a week of work plus a 'full time' course why cant a mother get of there bums and do somthing? I am not saying full time-hell 3 days a week of 5 hours a day would do? I know of two single mothers that have full time jobs as well as 3 kids each. And the kids are absolutly fantastic, they live in a nice but not swankey house etc and it is BECAUSE of the mothers hard work they got where they are and the kids as like they are. The apple dosnt fall far from the tree, if the tree is a lazy arssed dole bludger then the apple will be to (90% of the time).

I know there are special scercemstances where this dose not apply but there cant be that many.

**Jorja** · 12th August 2008, 10:30

I was a solo mother for 10 years. During that time I worked full time as a chef. The boys were below school age and the child care was crippling. But I prefer my independance.

Changed careers when they went to school so I could spend more time with them.

It is possible to work while being a solo parent and my kids have a very good work ethic and my 12 year recently got himself a paper route to earn enough money for a laptop.

Would he have had the same drive if I had stayed home? I have no idea. But I am really proud of how hard he works.

**awayatc** · 12th August 2008, 10:38

Good on ya Jorja.....and your boys.

You want something, you gotto work for it
you want more, you gotta work more.....
Or work smarter.....

Handouts are crippling

**McDuck** · 12th August 2008, 10:44

Originally Posted by Jorja

I was a solo mother for 10 years. During that time I worked full time as a chef. The boys were below school age and the child care was crippling. But I prefer my independance.

Changed careers when they went to school so I could spend more time with them.

It is possible to work while being a solo parent and my kids have a very good work ethic and my 12 year recently got himself a paper route to earn enough money for a laptop.

Would he have had the same drive if I had stayed home? I have no idea. But I am really proud of how hard he works.

Congrats. The comment regarding the apple dosnt fall farr from the tree gos both ways.