That's it. Not voting for Nat

**alanzs** · 13th August 2008, 16:17

Maybe the next government will do things which stimulate the economy to create jobs at all levels.

As Bill Clinton said "Its all about the economy"

**James Deuce** · 13th August 2008, 16:40

Originally Posted by alanzs

Maybe the next government will do things which stimulate the economy to create jobs at all levels.

As Bill Clinton said "Its all about the economy"

Indeed. I don't see it happening. People are not spending money and the flexibility they had in equity if they were home owners has eroded significantly. Wages haven't kept up with inflation and we're in a recession. Recessions take time to stabilise and recover from. We have no local export businesses left that aren't primary produce, and primary produce exporters always get a hiding during a global recession.

I'm still not getting the study thing. Why would someone earning a small Government funded income be encouraged to take on a large debt? How would National balance the books on that one? It looks like increasing Government debt to me. During a recession. We've been down the path of compounding debt errors before. I lot of you guys won't remember interest rates in the 20s and what that means for mortgage holders and capital generated in NZ.

**Big Dave** · 13th August 2008, 16:42

Originally Posted by alanzs

As Bill Clinton said "Its all about the economy"

Close, but no Cigar.

**James Deuce** · 13th August 2008, 16:44

Damn thing won't light.

**Jantar** · 13th August 2008, 16:51

Originally Posted by RiderInBlack

How many Solo parents have you meet that have purposely chosen to have kids so they can get the DPB?

I know three. Two were friends of my daughter, and sadly the third was my daughter.

I can say though that my daughter has seen the light, and is now with the father of her two children. They each hold down full time jobs, and pay for a full time child sitter for the few hours per day that their shifts overlap.

Her two friends are still solo mums. and still pumping out children to increase their benefit.

**RiderInBlack** · 13th August 2008, 17:04

Originally Posted by James Deuce

It looks like increasing Government debt to me. During a recession.

Don't worry Mate, Nat is going ta increase the debt anyway just so those how have been whining

about Taxes can get a little small weeny bit back

Live though The Muldoon "Think Big" years, which drove the Country in ta massif debt and helped Whangarei become the "Dole Capital" of NZ due ta the horrendous unemployment levels. A lot of Companies up here went under. It was why at 18 I got made redundant, pushing me into shitty jobs and unemployment for many years before I could get myself out of it.
At 45yrs I have no property, one hell of a Student Loan, but at least (if I last this time) now have a OK paying job (even if I have ta work dam hard doing it).

**RiderInBlack** · 13th August 2008, 17:06

Originally Posted by Jantar

I know three. Two were friends of my daughter, and sadly the third was my daughter.....Her two friends are still solo mums. and still pumping out children to increase their benefit.

Dam sad ta hear that Jantar.

**MisterD** · 13th August 2008, 17:39

Originally Posted by Big Dave

Close, but no Cigar.

(Insert Monica joke here)Or should that be insert cig.....

**Dave Lobster** · 13th August 2008, 18:39

Originally Posted by MSTRS

What really appalled me was that he explained to her that cos she was a 'dumb Maori' she would never get a job and as long as she kept having kids, she'd be set for life.

Well.. he's right there.

**SixPackBack** · 13th August 2008, 18:45

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

NO! Sterilisation of the sort of people that have accidents they can't afford is necessary!!

Originally Posted by Dave Lobster

Well.. he's right there.

Proclaiming yourself a racist and nazi is unlikely to gain you any freinds.

**Dave Lobster** · 13th August 2008, 18:57

Funny you should say that. You're the only one red repping..

Ha ha.. racist.. that's funny.. you should see the ethnic background of my family..

**doc** · 13th August 2008, 19:14

Originally Posted by James Deuce

I lot of you guys won't remember interest rates in the 20s

Don't think many here would.
Bashing the beneficieries is a popular vote grabber.

Fact is for example if the average DPB is $450 wk , equates to $11.25 hr after tax means they have to give up being at home to get close to $16.00 hr. Take child care costs out of it, where is the sence in getting a job. The Nats think there are 33,000 in this situation. Where are there 33,000 casual jobs out there, when we are heading in to a recession.