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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanx View Post
    It's not about only allowing the rich and powerful a vote; it's about only allowing votes to people who contribute to society. NZ, like most western countries, already practices extremely selective denial of voting privilege. Prisoners cannot vote.

    Why not extend that to the terminally unemployed or unemployable? If you don't work (say, for 12 months prior to the election) and you're not on sickness or disability benefit or a pension, you don't get a vote. Simple.

    Whilst I don't agree with Robert Taylor's Enoch Powell references (the bloke was a racist fucker who hasn't been posthumously been proven right. His predictions of inter-race wars resulting in rivers of blood did not some true. Whilst there are racial problems in the UK, don't forget Powell's targets were West Indians, not Indian sub-continent Muslims) there certainly is abuse of the refugee system in NZ, not helped by courts who allow convicted criminals to stay after release from jail just because sending them home might upset their parents.

    And I have some knowledge of what I speak; my wife arrived in NZ (as a minor) with her family after her father was taken into Aden prison in Tehran for daring to criticise the authorities. Only massive bribes to a corrupt guard managed to get him out. My wife is now a qualified translator / interpreter who has done work for both the Department of Immigration and the Refugee Status Appeals Authority. Almost without exception, every Iranian she's translated for (theoretically, she's independent, but you know what I mean) has been lying. Luckily, it's been fairly obvious to the authorities that they have been.

    But the blame for some immigrants having no respect for New Zealand's laws and customs can be laid squarely at the blame of Labour and their lefty politically-correct cohorts. The PC-brigade insist that everyone else's culture should be respected and honoured. The PC-brigade insist that we, NZers, should change the way we behave so as not offend immigrants. It is the PC-brigade who pander to the desires of immigrants instead of, quite reasonably, insisting that recent immigrants live up to the very old adage "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."

    Oddly, you'll often find more liberal immigrants fully support the belief that it is their responsibility to fit in with the customs and laws of the host country, not the other way round. My wife is one of the most scathing opponents of the bludging nature of some immigrants - but then she and her family have worked their arses off since almost the day they arrived. When they landed in NZ, they had a small rucksack each containing their belongings and a couple of hundred US dollars. They received emergency assistance for less than four weeks and since then, have no claimed a cent off the state in benefits. They deserve their NZ citizenship and refuge in NZ, as do many other immigrants and refugees. But the ones we hear about are the ones that are not deserving, and they tend to give the rest a bad name.
    Thats a very fair summary of whats going on in this country. I also have no problem with immigrants who are prepared to work and contribute rather than take take take. My sister was for a time teaching English to Chinese immigrants and time and time again came across comments such as ''Helen Clark is a wonderful lady, she helps us a lot'' You dont have to open your eyes very wide to realise that a significant proportion of more recent immigration has deliberately been low grade immigrants dependent on some form of handouts and by implication far more predisposed to vote for the hand that is feeding them. I.e this shonky outgoing Labour Government playing God with the excessive taxes and levies raped off us.
    I have 0% empathy for Clark and her pygmies and genuinely hope they burn in hell.

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    I see, so then white collar criminals with masters degrees who rip off thousands of ordinary Kiwis should also have their votes devalued?

    your original post is nothing less than racist claptrap

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    The problem with hardcore socialists is they are so polarised that they think that their way is the only way. Everyone / anyone that doesnt subscribe to their way of thinking is labelled a fu..wit.
    Ive said it before and Ill say it again, it is entirly possible to have conservative principles balanced with social compassion. What I have also consistently said is that there are people at both ends of the scale ripping the system off, from long term social welfare beneficiaries through to multinationals treating their production workers little better than battery hens.
    We all contribute to this sad state of affairs through our own indifference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by idleidolidyll View Post
    I see, so then white collar criminals with masters degrees who rip off thousands of ordinary Kiwis should also have their votes devalued?

    your original post is nothing less than racist claptrap
    Correct. While in prison they are not permitted to vote. So why is that racist?
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    White collar criminals go to jail!? I'd like to see that.And when they are not in jail ripping off millions of dollars from gullible people....they can still vote.

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    This whole thread is starting to smell like 1984.
    All are equal , but some are more equal than others

    Who's to say that there are not criminals & bludgers out there amongst the great unwashed that can vote simply because their crimes have yet to see the light of day?
    1 man 1 vote is a simplistic but seemingly effective way of electing failed used car salesmen into a position of power over us.
    I suspect that future generations will look back in wonder that we of the "information generation" actually allowed politicians to run a country.
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    Just how many votes should Geoff, the tertiary educated (haven’t been caught yet paedophile) get then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar View Post
    ... we of the "information generation" actually allowed politicians to run a country.
    "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - George Bernard Shaw

    One way or the other, representative democracy is still better than any of the alternatives.

    And you're picking on the wrong bunch with regards to immigrants.

    The Maoris are the real problem.
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    One dollar one vote

    That'll fix the problem.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    The Maoris are the real problem.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ocean1 View Post
    One dollar one vote
    That'll fix the problem.
    Really? Just pop down to WINZ for a grant....
    Do you realise how many holes there could be if people would just take the time to take the dirt out of them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jrandom View Post
    "Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve." - George Bernard Shaw

    One way or the other, representative democracy is still better than any of the alternatives.

    And you're picking on the wrong bunch with regards to immigrants.

    The Maoris are the real problem.
    I suspect George is right & we are getting what we deserve.
    While democracy is a great ideal, we still have to put up with politicians & they are the bulk of the problem right there. They are the lowest form of life, ranking even below 'used car salesmen'.

    I'm not picking on immigrants, nowhere ever in KB have I ever said anything about immigrants. But now that you mention them,most are hardworking decent people that are doing the best they can with the little they came here with. Their work ethic is to be admired as is their sense of family.

    Maori's are not the problem either, it would be a shallow person to think they were, the REAL problem is a culture of dependence on handouts & charity. While SOME Maori have been guilty of this they are by no means the only ones, there are plenty of people of other races & cultures that are doing it too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AllanB View Post
    Just send the little shit to prison for Statutory rape
    I'm a bit slow today and initially read your post as meaning he would go to jail to get raped... don't you just love prison justice?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jafar View Post
    ... the REAL problem is a culture of dependence on handouts & charity. While SOME Maori have been guilty of this they are by no means the only ones, there are plenty of people of other races & cultures that are doing it too.
    I completely agree that there is a culture of dependence and would go further to say it is a demanded expectation springboarded off past wrongs.

    I would differ though to say that there is only one race - the human race; merely subdivided by thousands of years passing in time, developed languages and cultures, varied degrees of physical adaption to the natural local environment and the historically (very) isolating factor of geography.

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    perhaps if you serve time you lose the right to vote could be a viable option?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toaster View Post
    I completely agree that there is a culture of dependence and would go further to say it is a demanded expectation springboarded off past wrongs.
    For some Maori yes it seems so

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    I would differ though to say that there is only one race - the human race; merely subdivided by thousands of years passing in time, developed languages and cultures, varied degrees of physical adaption to the natural local environment and the historically (very) isolating factor of geography.
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