Get ready to hit your kids...

[Grahameeboy]

So you are applying dogma rather that reasoned opinion.

Perfect

Correct...that is my belief...it works for me...

[Grahameeboy]

You forgot to say "SO THERE!"

But if I did you might smack me....

[Flatcap]

Correct...that is my belief...it works for me...

Hmm - the problem with dogma however is it tends to get applied to others.

[Flatcap]

But if I did you might smack me....

Would you prefer I gave you a big hug and told you I love you?

[Grahameeboy]

Hmm - the problem with dogma however is it tends to get applied to others.

As you will have gathered from Religious Ravings, my beliefs stay personal...but one could argue that a person's or society's reasoned opinion is also applied to others

[Grahameeboy]

Would you prefer I gave you a big hug and told you I love you?

Well in a manner of speaking "yes"

[Ocean1]

You think physical pain is an effective way of learning?

Pain taught me everything I know about riding bikes... OK, might have been less than perfectly effective in my case... BUT

Of course it's effective you twat, the reason we feel pain in the first place is to prevent us damaging ourselves, it's the first lesson any of us learn.

Children are, almost by definition, not able to reliably make safe decisions, sometimes their behaviour is dangerous and yet there may be no immediately painful concequences to teach them that. Any parent who fails to take any opportunity to teach their kids safe behaviour frankly doesn't deserve to have them. My son probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't "assaulted him" on one particular occasion.

[Grahameeboy]

Pain taught me everything I know about riding bikes... OK, might have been less than perfectly effective in my case... BUT

Of course it's effective you twat, the reason we feel pain in the first place is to prevent us damaging ourselves, it's the first lesson any of us learn.

Children are, almost by definition, not able to reliably make safe decisions, sometimes their behaviour is dangerous and yet there may be no immediately painful concequences to teach them that. Any parent who fails to take any opportunity to teach their kids safe behaviour frankly doesn't deserve to have them. My son probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't "assaulted him" on one particular occasion.

Pain from mistakes is fine...

[Ocean1]

Pain from mistakes is fine...

It wasn't enough to keep the puppy he was chasing across the road alive.

[Grahameeboy]

It wasn't enough to keep the puppy he was chasing across the road alive.

That's life eh??

[Oakie]

Shit the dog will be happy about that.I will be able to hit the kids again rather than kick his arse.

I worked with a guy who kicked his dog once and broke his own leg in doing so. Solid dog!

[raftn]

I am from a splt marriage situation , and my kids have been well educated by the x that under no circumstances is "Dad allowed to hit them other wise he will go to jail"......I am sorry, but i think the law is a peice of shit and has caused a lot of grief for men , and probably women in my sitaution, just like the law about healthy food in schools, but they still send my kids home with choclate to sell...go figure! Personally I have had enough of labour telling me how I can live my life, where I can smoke, where I can drink, what disciplyn i can issue to my kids, what food they can eat at school, and now they are going to make it illegal to use light bulbs that are not envoirmental friendly....i have had a guts full of the whole lot. I am a proud father of two, I like to think that I knowwhat is best for them, not some pot smoking fuckling liberal green party fucking wiedo feminist! ...........rant over, but i am sure other people must feel the same way.

[RDJ]

Children are, almost by definition, not able to reliably make safe decisions, sometimes their behaviour is dangerous and yet there may be no immediately painful consequences to teach them that. Any parent who fails to take any opportunity to teach their kids safe behaviour frankly doesn't deserve to have them.

Well said, and straight to the heart of the debate.

[Tank]

So what you are saying is that the reason people, including yourself, bash Kids is dependent on what is written on a piece of paper by Parliament.

There I was thinking it was caused by people who can't control their anger and despite whatever the laws are they hit kids. How come that same principle hasn't put an end to rape and murder?

We did't need this silly law. Assault, grievious bodily harm and murder - against any age, were already illegal in NZ.

What next? Shall we make it illegal to frown at a child, fart in their general direction.

Alas the passing of common sense. He got lightly smacked on the bum and died of multiple injuries as a result.

No - I smacked my kids when they were little if they were bad. (Smack defined as a light smack on the ass that actually dosnt hurt) As a result they learned that there are consequences to actions and as a result I have 3 well behaved, kids that Im a great friend with and they have caused me (or society) no grief.

If I had another kid - Id smack that one as well. I couldn't give a fuck what the legislation says - I'm right - and they fucked up.

[Skyryder]

Children are, almost by definition, not able to reliably make safe decisions, sometimes their behaviour is dangerous and yet there may be no immediately painful concequences to teach them that. Any parent who fails to take any opportunity to teach their kids safe behaviour frankly doesn't deserve to have them. My son probably wouldn't be alive today if I hadn't "assaulted him" on one particular occasion.

And the law allows for the above. It is very specific on this.

Skyryder