The law specifically prohibits "the use of physical force for the purposes of correction"Originally Posted by Skyryder
Moped rider
The law specifically prohibits "the use of physical force for the purposes of correction"
Revolution is in the air
To me, that is the issue. Where did the government think they have the authority to tell me how to raise my child? Again, who is the bully?
Ride, eat, sleep, repeat!
Moped rider
Why is it that socialists always target children?
Stalin did it, so did Hitler, to name but a few... Is it because adults are less likely to cave to subversion?
The anti-smacking religion seems to be very much like Benjamin Spock's permissive parenting dogma of the '70s...
The end result was kids that resented their parents as they grew older
Perhaps Bradford is a model parent, and all her kids are perfect angels, so she knows best. Could that be it?
Nope. One dead, others gone off the rails, and she herself was a sickness beneficiary who wasn't too unwell to be out protesting, assaulting cops & getting arrested, all at the taxpayer's expense
Perhaps Voltaire was right, and it's past time this govt was tempered by assassination
A govt is meant to act as our representatives, not our rulers.
Since when did a bunch of childless lesbians know what is best for my kids?
Bradford lied and got caught out (Swedish statistics), Clark said they would never pass this law.
Now, FamilyFirst is left keeping a tally of the numbers of people adversely affected
Hardcore Biker
Very interesting debate on this issue and i'm sure that everyone is genuine in their own beliefs regarding this and their own parenting skills no matter what side of the fence that they sit on. But can someone please explain to me why we have so many little arseholes out there in society today who have such bad attitudes and absolutely no respect for anyone or other peoples property. This never used to be the case several decades ago so what has gone wrong.
I beleive that a lot of this has come from softer parenting techniques in the home and no discipline in the schools and no fear of the law or any consequences. Much of this has come about as a result of politicians with no guts or balls trying to tell us how we should live our lives and then legislating accordingly. Perhaps we should dump all the out of control kids on their doorsteps and let them sort it out.
Good parents have never "beaten" their children, they probably have "smacked" them as part of their discipline and i guarantee that these kids have turned out to be fine and upstanding citizens. It sure worked very well a few years ago.
If some parents feel that their disciplining without a need for "smacking" is working for them, then i applaud them if the end result is a well mannered and respectful child.
"Beating" a child is a totally different situation and anyone who engages in this activity should feel the full force of the law as a result. Unfortunate this current law (which i do not agree with) will never stop people of this mentality.
So "Butt Out Politicians" and let all the good parents get on with the job of raising their own children without your interference. We do not want or need it.
Moped rider
who will you trust with your vote this year??
Helen Clark: A lot of people aren’t comfortable with beatings but they don’t want to see, you know, stressed and harassed parents, you know, pulled in by the police because they, they smacked a child.
Bob McCroskie: So you do not want to see smacking banned?
Helen Clark: Absolutely not, I think you are trying to defy human nature.
.....your time is coming
Maybe, however, I would not be keen on a Govt who gave into what the Public wanted all the time...almost makes it Anarchy.Don't forget the stupidity of nigh-on the whole of Parliamet in voting through the repeal. When every poll held on the subject showed the public did not want to see this change. And it was supposed to be a conscience vote...
In this case, the Public got onto the Media band wagon and as usual blew things out of real proportion.
I mean what is the worst that has happened since the new Law was introduced compared with the old Law.
.....your time is coming
I think kids resent their parents when older due to the way their parents treated them and nothing to do with Dr Spock...Why is it that socialists always target children?
Stalin did it, so did Hitler, to name but a few... Is it because adults are less likely to cave to subversion?
The anti-smacking religion seems to be very much like Benjamin Spock's permissive parenting dogma of the '70s...
The end result was kids that resented their parents as they grew older
Perhaps Bradford is a model parent, and all her kids are perfect angels, so she knows best. Could that be it?
Nope. One dead, others gone off the rails, and she herself was a sickness beneficiary who wasn't too unwell to be out protesting, assaulting cops & getting arrested, all at the taxpayer's expense
Perhaps Voltaire was right, and it's past time this govt was tempered by assassination
A govt is meant to act as our representatives, not our rulers.
Since when did a bunch of childless lesbians know what is best for my kids?
Bradford lied and got caught out (Swedish statistics), Clark said they would never pass this law.
Now, FamilyFirst is left keeping a tally of the numbers of people adversely affected
salty dog
PC completely unacceptable statement, but dogs and kids do have things in common.
I love my kids and I love my dogs, but they need a fair firm hand.
They need to know who's in charge....Not negotiable
No I have no need to beat my dogs,
But their training includes discipline!!! some need more then others
How would you feel if my 100 pound plus Rotty would be out of control?
So why accept if off kids?
Are they not worth a proper upbringing?
Opinions are like arseholes: Everybody has got one, but that doesn't mean you got to air it in public all the time....
.....your time is coming
Force being the operative description...Force has both magnitude and direction, hardly smacking
salty dog
Spock from star track?
That explains a thing or 2 Mr Grahameeboy.....
You see we here are talking about things on our planet....
Things are obviously different on yours....
.....your time is coming
Well we all see things from our own worlds...I understand that...I also understand that you see things differently...we are on the same planet, just different pages...
.....your time is coming
Yep upbringing agree with...see we are on the same planet..just different views of the "parenting book"
Tornado Alley
But that is who has been targetted by this law as well... and it hasn't changed much with them. Their neighbours still dont see or hear anything....
The problem identified right there. No consequences anywhere any more....
She speaks with forked tongue. As most polititions do. Great post, this one....We do know the difference between a discipline smack and a beating/bashing. Not a lot has changed actually.... except the paperwork now needed when this type of incident is called in...
No correction = no consequences. "Do what you like as nothing will come of it" is another way of putting it.
Sums it up. Worked for me, no hang ups... nor my familty or friends... nor my neighbours... nor my work mates... Hang on.... we must all be wrong!!!
"Force" can be as simple as a mere touch.
Quite right about the magnitude, but a smack on a padded butt compared to a beating with a lump of 4 x 2, wrestling moves body slams, shoved in a dryer, whippings and punches to the head and body causing multiple broken bones/internal injuries etc etc doesn't need to have a new law to explain the difference, but sweeping up a smack, (which was deliberately avoided by BRADFORD and Co as above) within the definition does seem OTT.
Moped rider
Well said Patrick...
Our kids will still be smacked if necessary - but we're fans of common sense instead of this new-age lefty bullshit
I wonder though... IF one of those tofu-munching social workers turns up in her kaftan because someone saw a smack while at the supermarket, could I claim a defense under S.48 as a lump of lead hit them firmly between the eyes
Moped rider
If they were serious about targeting abuse, they'd address things like:
low maternal age at birth
low maternal education
drug and/or alcohol abuse
to name just a few.... But that would alienate Labour's core voters - Labour has always tried to make voters clients
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