Get ready for the return of toll booths

**Quasievil** · 25th August 2008, 13:12

Originally Posted by Mr Merde

Where in NZ are these B grade roads, which area has had an upgrade to this mythological grade (here in NZ any way)

After 25 years in the UK and Europe then 6 years back here I havent seen a road in NZ that would comes near a B grade, more likely C to get C grade.

Yup I will roll with that....even goat grade would get my agreement.

round the corner .......Gordonton road, they spent a few months changing a corner into a nice sweeper, two months of road works, 5 months later it showed signed of radical pot holing, now we have had 5 weeks of a 30kmph sign and not even a hint of a repair......yup goat track

Im all for toll roads on the basis that a New Zealander is not involved in its construction

**James Deuce** · 25th August 2008, 13:13

Meh! Ripped off by politicians.

What are you going to do about it? You have a clear choice. Vote Labour and watch your personal freedoms continue to erode, or vote National and pay twice for infrastructure, education, health, and health insurance.

Or you can rock down to Wellington, perform a bloodless coup, and watch them curl up on the floor in helpless laughter at your naivete when you demand that they hand over all the cash from the variety of taxes levied on transport infrastructure.

Sucks.

But it's better than living in Bangladesh.

**Mr Merde** · 25th August 2008, 13:23

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Meh! .....

Or you can rock down to Wellington, perform a bloodless coup, ...

Oh you take all the fun out of it.

What use is a politian if you cant make the bugger bleed?

**NighthawkNZ:Me** · 25th August 2008, 13:34

Originally Posted by SPman

If the government gives you a tax cut, and then rips it straight back by making you pay more for roads, schools, and hospitals, are you really better off?

same thing with labour... giveth with one hand taketh with the other...... but in my case I don't even get the giveth with labour.

I am getting less and less in the hand and paying more...

**xwhatsit** · 25th August 2008, 15:31

Originally Posted by NighthawkNZ

Why should I pay the same amount as in for roading if I only do 10 000km a year with no tax break as someone doing 100 000 km a year, who probably got a tax break :dry:

They already do -- taxes in petrol. The more petrol you use (by having a big fat heavy car and doing long distances), the more in tax you pay.

I fail to see what relevancy this has?

If Labour was introducing toll roads, you guys would be the first to cry `Soviet Russia'.

**Quasievil** · 25th August 2008, 15:44

Just to keep this in perspective, they are talking about 6 odd strategic roads only, might be the Welly transmission gully, and a bunch around Auckland. Shit it might and likely will be cheaper to go down a toll road than the public road. Last year I drove trucks to TGA alot, we HAD to go through the toll road, it was cheaper to run that way than the public........perhaps Tolls will keep major trucks of the public roads in these congested areas, thereby making both sets of roads more passable ?

**avgas** · 25th August 2008, 16:15

Originally Posted by Devil

Unfortunately, if we want the good roads we'll have to pay for them.

Funny i thought we were allready?

**Devil** · 25th August 2008, 16:18

Originally Posted by avgas

Funny i thought we were allready?

'cept by tolling, if we dont like it, we dont have to use it...

**Murray** · 25th August 2008, 16:21

Originally Posted by James Deuce

Meh! Ripped off by politicians.

But it's better than living in Bangladesh.

I hear the summers good in Zimbabwe. Not happy here we could always move there. At least it doesn't rain every bloody weekend!!!!

**SPman** · 25th August 2008, 16:45

Originally Posted by Quasievil

Just to keep this in perspective, they are talking about 6 odd strategic roads only,

Depends who's doing the talking. Williamson is saying one thing, English is saying another...........

**James Deuce** · 25th August 2008, 16:49

Originally Posted by Murray

I hear the summers good in Zimbabwe. Not happy here we could always move there. At least it doesn't rain every bloody weekend!!!!

You better be of African descent and the same tribe as Mugabe, because there ain't no way a white boy is gonna own anything in Zimbabwe.

**u4ea** · 25th August 2008, 17:09

Originally Posted by Devil

Those that are against tolls because of the money argument and what has been done with the money in the past, think of it this way:

They have to build the road to toll it. So you KNOW that the road will be built, and wont have the cash diverted off somewhere else.

I'm all for them building better roads. This is what has to happen for all the roading projects to get done.

Perhaps if our money wasn't given away in dud treaty claims we would have no need for tolls anyway!!(my pre-maori nordic ancestors are stirring)

Originally Posted by James Deuce

You better be of African descent and the same tribe as Mugabe, because there ain't no way a white boy is gonna own anything in Zimbabwe.

.........and the difference here is??

**James Deuce** · 25th August 2008, 17:12

Originally Posted by u4ea

Perhaps if our money wasn't given away in dud treaty claims we would have no need for tolls anyway!!(my pre-maori nordic ancestors are stirring)

.........and the difference here is??

You've GOT to be shitting me.

**Quasievil** · 25th August 2008, 17:22

Originally Posted by u4ea

Perhaps if our money wasn't given away in dud treaty claims we would have no need for tolls anyway!!(my pre-maori nordic ancestors are stirring)

.........and the difference here is??

My ancestors would tell your ancestors that a couple of blankets didnt quite cut it.............and now settlements are being made it should make your ancestors think......oops I guess we didnt get away with that one.