High vis options

[Steam]

This is what I did to my ventura bag, with some wide reflective sew-on tape from the safety shop. Cheap at $4 a meter.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...4&postcount=43

[Horse]

What I love about these threads is how much superstition and wild assertion easily trumps actual scientific enquiry.

But then that's humanity, innit?

[AllanB]

[QUOTE=Horse;1704926]What I love about these threads is how much superstition and wild assertion easily trumps actual scientific enquiry.

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[James Deuce]

What I love about these threads is how much superstition and wild assertion easily trumps actual scientific enquiry.

But then that's humanity, innit?

My information is from scientific studies on the psychology of drivers and motion camouflage. Where's yours from? One study on the benefits of fluoro vests commissioned by 3M?

There's no assertions in my conclusions, having lived the experiences detailed in those studies for 20 years. Hi vis jackets make no difference. People don't spend enough time checking in each direction at an intersection for instance to actually discern colour. They are checking for shape and size. They check for less and less time as they get older and the law of diminishing returns actually changes this from the positive benefits of experience to a hazard as the driver still expects his aging brain to provide enough information to make a decision. Eventually they turn the wrong way up a motorway (92 year old chap did that up the Nauranga Gorge earlier this year) or pull out in front of a motorcyclist that they honestly, literally didn't see. Age isn't the only problem. But as people live longer and have greater expectations of their old age they are increasingly represented in intersection accident stats. Statistics NZ has a paper on it and it shows how things have changed since the 80s.

[MarkH]

One of the most visible motorcycle related things I see and I've commented on before is helmets, get a bright colour or patterns - the helmet is up high and visible - black ones are bloody useless at being seen.

My Draggin' Jeans are black, my Jacket is black, my gloves are black and my boots are black. But my headlight is always on and I just bought a white helmet. I doubt that a high vis jacket would make as much difference as a white helmet, so I will stick with my black leather jacket.

IMO
A white or bright yellow helmet is very noticeable. Though many car drivers don't look properly and you should still NEVER assume they have seen you.

[CB ARGH]

I got one, wore it once, and when I got to about 60 it blew apart at the velcrove thing.

Time to get a cycling one I think

[Horse]

Where's yours from? One study on the benefits of fluoro vests commissioned by 3M?

I think that's called making assumptions.....

having lived the experiences detailed in those studies for 20 years.

The plural of anecdote is not "data". Which pretty much is my original point.

[col]

were better of if they cant see us then they have nothing to aim at we just have to watch them so we can miss them remember you tend to head for what you are looking at if you go off the road in to a paddock with only one tree you will probability hit the tree because you are looking at it

[MSTRS:Me]

I think that's called making assumptions.....



The plural of anecdote is not "data". Which pretty much is my original point.

I'd trust the anecdotal evidence over the data. Longterm, everyday, practical, uncontrolled - trumps test scenario. Unless the test scenario is under the same conditions as the anecdotal. In which case, it is anecdotal, not data. Eh?
The other reason I wouldn't bother with the data is that people who wear this gear invariably are the type to take extra caution anyway, therefore making a mockery of any findings that wearing fluoro is safer.

[Swoop]

If you want a free fluro vest, simply ride tail-end-charlie for the Westpac ride, carrying a pillion who has a stick with a hook on the end of it...

There were heaps on the road this year.

[MarkH]

I'd trust the anecdotal evidence over the data. Longterm, everyday, practical, uncontrolled - trumps test scenario. Unless the test scenario is under the same conditions as the anecdotal. In which case, it is anecdotal, not data. Eh?
The other reason I wouldn't bother with the data is that people who wear this gear invariably are the type to take extra caution anyway, therefore making a mockery of any findings that wearing fluoro is safer.

I disagree that the data is not worth bothering about, but I agree that it is easy to look at data without realising that it is comparing safety conscious people wearing high-vis with people that don't take as much care and wear black. Always treat the data with some degree of scepticism and don't assume that every conclusion if infallible. This sort of thing reminds me of the people that put a magnet on their fuel line and get better mileage - when you are trying to get better mileage and drive more gently it works, even without the magnet. Remember people - placebos work, it is well documented in many, many medical journals.

I'd rather not look like a dick and feel safer while being no safer, or worse - being less safe due to my false sense of security (and still looking silly). I bought a white helmet, I don't feel inclined to go further than that and I doubt a high-vis vest would make any significant difference to my safety. My helmet is the only thing that sticks out above my fairing & windscreen - I feel it possibly does make a difference, but regardless it cost no more than a black one and is not anything extra to wear, so no real money or convenience cost to me.

[AllanB]

If I had to wear one I'd get one of these - at least they look the part.

I almost got one at the start of winter as I figured it would keep me warm over my leather jacket since I have a limit to how much I can wear under it. Thermals are good - especially 2 at a time.

Also I agree regarding the comments that wearers of vests tend to be more cautious riders to start with - I do not think I have ever seen a GSXR rider with one!

[mouldy]

Offence is the best form of defence , ride offensively

[MSTRS:Me]

I disagree that the data is not worth bothering about, but I agree that it is easy to look at data without realising that it is comparing safety conscious people wearing high-vis with people that don't take as much care and wear black. Always treat the data with some degree of scepticism and don't assume that every conclusion if infallible. This sort of thing reminds me of the people that put a magnet on their fuel line and get better mileage - when you are trying to get better mileage and drive more gently it works, even without the magnet. Remember people - placebos work, it is well documented in many, many medical journals.

I'd rather not look like a dick and feel safer while being no safer, or worse - being less safe due to my false sense of security (and still looking silly). I bought a white helmet, I don't feel inclined to go further than that and I doubt a high-vis vest would make any significant difference to my safety. My helmet is the only thing that sticks out above my fairing & windscreen - I feel it possibly does make a difference, but regardless it cost no more than a black one and is not anything extra to wear, so no real money or convenience cost to me.

I wear black, and I take care. I take responsibility for my own safety. I'm not unusual in that respect. Don't let Katman brainwash you that we are all squids.

If I had to wear one I'd get one of these - at least they look the part.

I almost got one at the start of winter as I figured it would keep me warm over my leather jacket since I have a limit to how much I can wear under it. Thermals are good - especially 2 at a time.

Also I agree regarding the comments that wearers of vests tend to be more cautious riders to start with - I do not think I have ever seen a GSXR rider with one!

Damn straight! except as a marshall on the chopper appeal ride

[EJK]

Most of the times but I try not to wear it on my way to school tho...

Oh! I remember Tank (on KB) had this shiny chirstmas lights-ish High Vis Vest!

Do you still have it?