States change their laws so repeat drunk drivers have ignition interlocks installed

[Genestho]

good idea.....
And also penalties should hit where it hurts....
what about losing vehicle if pulled over second time over the limit..?
Losing permanently..not just impounding....

Absolutely, I thinks its Queensland who last year implemented permanent impounding of vehicles..the car being the unintended weapon needs as much focus as the driver

[sidecar bob]

This stops them driving any one of a number of different cars how?

You tell me, Im interested in a solution to this problem, Not a whole bunch of negativity as to why not.
Perhaps if you lend your car to a recidivist driunk driver you should get your car confiscated & your arse kicked, That may help a bit.

[alanzs]

You tell me, Im interested in a solution to this problem, Not a whole bunch of negativity as to why not.
Perhaps if you lend your car to a recidivist driunk driver you should get your car confiscated & your arse kicked, That may help a bit.

Making drunk driving absolutely unacceptable would be a place to start. There is a cultural denial here that harms people. The second highest expenditure by NZ'ers of disposable income, after travel, is alcohol. It is almost impossible to find any books on alcoholism at the book stores. I know, I have tried. I have a relative who is obviously an alcoholic, but everyone just says he's fine. There are books on every other health issue available, but at the three Whitcoulls I went to, there was nothing.

Install alcohol measuring devices in all pubs/bars, etc. Make it a part of getting a license to sell alcohol.

The car the drunk is driving at the time of arrest, regardless of ownership, is sold at auction and all proceeds go to victims assistance of those injured by drunk drivers. First offense.

Make alcohol abuse awareness a priority in the healthcare sector. Get rid of those stupid "It's not what you drink, it's how you drink" ads. They are deceptive; it is what you drink, not just how you drink it. You don't usually ruin your life drinking water. This relative of mine even asked his doctor if the doctor thought he may have an alcohol problem. The doctor told him to switch from the normal 3-5 G&T's a night (which he has been drinking for the last 40 years) to red wine. Amazing!

[ManDownUnder]

Great idea. It's like airbags - expensive to start with but as soon as they become accepted/standard practice, they're everywhere, the price drops and the car makes get a bit of good PR out of it ("helping keep the nation safe by avoiding drunk drive crashes" yada yada spin doctory stuff).

[imdying]

You tell me, Im interested in a solution to this problem, Not a whole bunch of negativity as to why not.
Perhaps if you lend your car to a recidivist driunk driver you should get your car confiscated & your arse kicked, That may help a bit.

Could start by removing the problem at the source... NZ needs booze why?

[slimjim]

Could start by removing the problem at the source... NZ needs booze why?

nooooooo cause i like a handle on a poker run....

[sidecar bob]

Could start by removing the problem at the source... NZ needs booze why?

Oh dear, somebody always goes a bit too far, hehe.
Im not anti booze, neither i believe is the starter of this thread, it just needs to be severely divorced from driving.

[Indoo]

Making drunk driving absolutely unacceptable would be a place to start. :

And the courts should be leading from the front, not dismissing charges on ridiculous technicalities or loop holes in the law. A few drink drivers now have even escaped conviction based on the argument that the consequences of the conviction outweigh the severity of the offense, what sort of message is that sending?

I think allowing people one chance before nailing them is reasonable, but thats all anyone should ever get - one single chance, the consequences are too high to give them anymore.

[imdying]

Oh dear, somebody always goes a bit too far, hehe.
Im not anti booze, neither i believe is the starter of this thread, it just needs to be severely divorced from driving.

Yeah, I'm not either... I have a wonderful collection of all sorts of goodness

However, the courts refuse to do anything worthwhile if you're caught, it appears that few enough people actually care that it makes the governments efforts to make it socially unacceptable worthless, and that doesn't leave a lot of options.

[scumdog]

This stops them driving any one of a number of different cars how?

Oh, it won't stop them doing that I guess.
But I believe the penalty for doing so in the countries that have interlocks is instant jail for those caught driving a car without one when they have been ordered by the Court to drive only those fitted with interlocks.

And the car is impounded so I believe.

[imdying]

Good on those countries then... Would probably be nice to live in a country where the courts have teeth.

[Genestho]

Making drunk driving absolutely unacceptable would be a place to start. There is a cultural denial here that harms people. The second highest expenditure by NZ'ers of disposable income, after travel, is alcohol. It is almost impossible to find any books on alcoholism at the book stores. I know, I have tried. I have a relative who is obviously an alcoholic, but everyone just says he's fine. There are books on every other health issue available, but at the three Whitcoulls I went to, there was nothing.

Install alcohol measuring devices in all pubs/bars, etc. Make it a part of getting a license to sell alcohol.

The car the drunk is driving at the time of arrest, regardless of ownership, is sold at auction and all proceeds go to victims assistance of those injured by drunk drivers. First offense.

Make alcohol abuse awareness a priority in the healthcare sector. Get rid of those stupid "It's not what you drink, it's how you drink" ads. They are deceptive; it is what you drink, not just how you drink it. You don't usually ruin your life drinking water. This relative of mine even asked his doctor if the doctor thought he may have an alcohol problem. The doctor told him to switch from the normal 3-5 G&T's a night (which he has been drinking for the last 40 years) to red wine. Amazing!

Heh, I see you've been reading my website, I have a couple of articles in regards to the Host reponsibility ideas, and that car needs to go to a worthy cause...it all makes sense to the little people ay....perhaps the Doctor thought the old "A Red Wine a Day keeps the heart disease away" might have been of some help?

There is going to be a very important National Alcohol Plan

http://www.ndp.govt.nz/moh.nsf/index...n-consultation
(not for the faint hearted), that addresses the alcohol related harm issues from the family/community outwards (Police, NGO's, Courts, MOJ, MOH, Drug and alcohol providers, education providers, Maori and Pacific reps, Whanau/Family and even individuals)

With submissions invited from almost all sectors of society, implementation is over a period of five years...this could be a crtitical turning point in the way alcohol is regulated, alcohol abuse prevention, educated and treated, information co-alated to make best practise decisions..

I have started writing my submissions on behalf of badd in regards to quite a few of the factors addressed in the plan, I have made a few suggestions in the Host Reponsibility Area (Alco testers and mandatory transport options as part of Host responsibilty and licensing requirements), Transport options, Recidivist drink driving, and Marketing Drink Driving Advertising..Education, and Treatment programs, my theory is we have to prevent and educate and share information, start shared databases of information for all sectors in the alcohol related community..

This is such a huge topic, and covers so many sectors, but I recon its goals are very fair and seem to target the right places..

Bout bloody time..

Im not anti alcohol myself but I can see its affects and harm it causes our families, and the wider scope.
I can see where its not being addressed, but Im just one of thousands of submitters, of that I have no doubt...

[Genestho]

Good on those countries then... Would probably be nice to live in a country where the courts have teeth.

They wont have teeth if the issue is not highlighted, probed and annoyed about...which it is, and I think you'd be surprised the amount of people that care enough to help change our "she'll be right" lets get falling over pissed (it aint pretty) and drive (fucken ugly) culture.

Glad your not on my team bro, we'd get nothing done.....heh

[Forest]

The car the drunk is driving at the time of arrest, regardless of ownership, is sold at auction and all proceeds go to victims assistance of those injured by drunk drivers. First offense.

I provide some of my employees with company cars. So I'd be very hesitant to support a system of compulsory confiscation.

[sidecar bob]

I provide some of my employees with company cars. So I'd be very hesitant to support a system of compulsory confiscation.

Id be very hesitant to employ people that would lend their company car to a repeat drunk driver.
Maybe you need to P.M the thread starter & enquire about raising two wee boys without their dad & the man of her life, im quite sure she would be happy to share.
I get the impression its a tad more inconvienent than having a car confiscated.
You sound kind of selfish not wanting to support a system that may possibly affect you if one of your staff was irresponsible.