MNZ announces Motards back in F3!

[Toast]

Must ride 'road race style'...man I can't wait to see the punchups when someone disagrees with getting black flagged for 'riding motard style'...not to mention the protests when someone on a roadbike doesn't like getting being beaten by a motard and claims he cheated 'cos he slid the rear wheel...with the whole thing being open to interpretation like that I don't think it will work.

[t3mp0r4ry nzr]

good to see the 'tards back with the roadies. Management of this group is at the discretion of the even organisers tho?! now that could be interesting!!

[Billy]

I think its great .
If a Motard is out in qualifying and there is a bunch of road based bikes behind that are slower then the motard has to fuck of and join his own class to make room for the slower rider. There is only 35 bikes per class and the field is full now, so no room for a cross entered motard.
Yay, finally its a way to rid the F3 class of motards once and for all.
They have there own class and road based bikes are not allowed into there class , why is it a one way street if the bikes are so even / simalar ?.

The only real sad bit is this .... if a motard rider is allowed to cross enter into the F3 class and there is no room for him in the grid after qualifying then is there a refund possible under the rules (yeah rite) or is it just another fuck up by MNZ for the local clubs to deal with ?? It will be considered the same as "failing to qualify" so refunds are not considered.

Another case of MNZ trying to satisfy everybody without sorting it properly.

PS; If you are a motard rider and dont like what i state , tuff , sorry.

Paul.

Fully agree,Why would you trial something that was proved to be too dangerous before and in a class thats already oversubscribed.

[Tony.OK]

There is only 35 bikes per class and the field is full now, so no room for a cross entered motard.

Yep, can't see much changing except qualifying. What happens if there are 40 entered and present F3 racers? Will the motards even need to go out during qualifying?
Not that it affects me but it sounds like a rule adopted just to appease some people, and with current feild numbers never coming into effect.

[Shaun]

Yep, can't see much changing except qualifying. What happens if there are 40 entered and present F3 racers? Will the motards even need to go out during qualifying?
Not that it affects me but it sounds like a rule adopted just to appease some people, and with current feild numbers never coming into effect.

MOtards

DAM puddle jumpers in disquise, GET back to the dirt, OR BUY A ROAD RACE BIKE

[brads]

You should try one Shaun

[scott411]

MOtards

DAM puddle jumpers in disquise, GET back to the dirt, OR BUY A ROAD RACE BIKE

yes Shaun, go away motard riders, some people don't seem to like having to many people at road races anyway,


seriously tho,

i think at the vic series where F3 is full the motards should stick to their own class, however in some race meetings where F3 was not as full and motards where all but non existant it seemed stupid to have to run two events for them, i think its good that the organisers now have more power over the way they run their meetings, sometimes one rule does not fit all meetings,

[GaZBur]

Actually now the rules have changed I don't think it will make a difference at the ground level down here anymore. Motorcycling Cantebury who are running the Levels Winter series run combined classes as Senior, Junior(including F3), and a seperate Motard class. The numbers are about right the way they have it at the moment so I expect there really is not much chance of getting them to allow a bunch of Motards to run off the back of the Junior grid.
There are plenty of Motard bikes now to ensure that class is not canned due to lack of numbers. Even this year some entry forms for racing advertise a Motard class PROVIDING THERE ARE SUFFICIENT NUMBERS, which seems to mean over 6. If there are ever less than 6 motards it would be good to be able to run off the back of F3 but seriously I don't think that will ever happen down here now. In fact there are 1 or 2 new bikes turning up to every meeting so it's possible eventually numbers could grow to the level the field needs to be split S1 and S2.
If however there is a reduction in F3 numbers then I will be asking to go off the back of the grid to get more track experience.

EDIT: While I was writing my speel scott411 posted - so what he says!

[Nicksta]

I think the main reason they were taken out of the road bike classes was the difference in riding styles and lines, the inability to hold a line in a corner makes it damn hard to overtake a motard round the outside without the fear of them sliding out and taking you out. I witnessed this infront of me before the rule came in place.
The sad part is, that we voted previously to exclude them from F3, but MNZ asked for submissions on the exclusion and no one really replied to support the exclusion, so they are now trialing including them again.

Please people, if you dont want to have them in your formula class, please email or write to MNZ and let them know your concerns! thats why we have MNZ, to make rules and regulations to make our sport safer and more fair and fun.

On another note, now that motards have their own class, apart from getting more track time, why would they enter a road race class anyway? especially of they can only get a starting spot if there is no road racer that wants it!

[roogazza]

Glen Williams will be shaking in his boots !!! (ha ha Glen )
Seriously who do they bother ?????

Just the modern generation I suspect ! G.

[Quasievil]

I think the main reason they were taken out of the road bike classes was the difference in riding styles and lines, the inability to hold a line in a corner makes it damn hard to overtake a motard round the outside without the fear of them sliding out and taking you out.

Not sure about that, I reckon my motard is more stable in a corner than a sportsbike, less weight = less forces to push you out and all that stuff.

Youre right though with a F3 class and a Motard class I doubt I would run in F3 .................they to slow anyway

[svr]

I think the main reason they were taken out of the road bike classes was the difference in riding styles and lines, the inability to hold a line in a corner makes it damn hard to overtake a motard round the outside without the fear of them sliding out and taking you out. I witnessed this infront of me before the rule came in place.
The sad part is, that we voted previously to exclude them from F3, but MNZ asked for submissions on the exclusion and no one really replied to support the exclusion, so they are now trialing including them again.

Please people, if you dont want to have them in your formula class, please email or write to MNZ and let them know your concerns! thats why we have MNZ, to make rules and regulations to make our sport safer and more fair and fun.

On another note, now that motards have their own class, apart from getting more track time, why would they enter a road race class anyway? especially of they can only get a starting spot if there is no road racer that wants it!

1. I didn't make a submission about Motards because I thought it had nothing to do with me (F3). Suprise, and wrong again!

2. Telling Motards to ride in a `roadrace' style is a joke. Different bikes have different styles. Motards are no problem in their own class, and are entertaining for the general public, but a total frustration for people on roadrace bikes racing with / trying to pass / getting centerpunched by, etc. said motarder.
Hello random lines, feet to run over, handlebars in the throat, finding bikes with 20ks less corner speed parked at the apex (and no way past), fast starting, crazy block passes in the first corner, slow laps holding up roadrace bikes,... Roadracing is dangerous enough with everyone headed roughly in the same direction and doing roughly the same thing... To really spice it up maybe we could throw quads in there and race on a figure 8 track?

3. So the class will be a strange hybrid of F3, ProTwins and now Motards. What a shambles

[Ivan]

1. I didn't make a submission about Motards because I thought it had nothing to do with me (F3). Suprise, and wrong again!

2. Telling Motards to ride in a `roadrace' style is a joke. Different bikes have different styles. Motards are no problem in their own class, and are entertaining for the general public, but a total frustration for people on roadrace bikes racing with / trying to pass / getting centerpunched by, etc. said motarder.
Hello random lines, feet to run over, handlebars in the throat, finding bikes with 20ks less corner speed parked at the apex (and no way past), fast starting, crazy block passes in the first corner, slow laps holding up roadrace bikes,... Roadracing is dangerous enough with everyone headed roughly in the same direction and doing roughly the same thing... To really spice it up maybe we could throw quads in there and race on a figure 8 track?

3. So the class will be a strange hybrid of F3, ProTwins and now Motards. What a shambles

Agree fully,

Motards aregreat to watch if you like them..... In there own class as they all dothe same thing, Road bikes all do the same thing put the 2 together we get2 different styles not so much knee down foot out difference in lines etc, you end up with a bike with shit loads of outa corner squirt butthen hard as **** to pass, I have raced against them before yes.

I can tell you to a handle bar leaning on you during a race aint fun,

What happened to all bikes with handle bars blah blah rule didnt affect me so dont remember it dont own a motard dont race one dont intend to.

Screw the motard Idea do that dude inF3 CRF450 converted to a road race bike now that thing is wicked

[WarrenW]

Hey if they reckon they are that fast, put the SM lot in with the superbikes, at least they back the bikes into the corners, get out of corners at the same rate.
Keep them in their own class or allow us to cross enter into theirs.

[slowpoke]

1. I didn't make a submission about Motards because I thought it had nothing to do with me (F3). Suprise, and wrong again!

2. Telling Motards to ride in a `roadrace' style is a joke. Different bikes have different styles. Motards are no problem in their own class, and are entertaining for the general public, but a total frustration for people on roadrace bikes racing with / trying to pass / getting centerpunched by, etc. said motarder.
Hello random lines, feet to run over, handlebars in the throat, finding bikes with 20ks less corner speed parked at the apex (and no way past), fast starting, crazy block passes in the first corner, slow laps holding up roadrace bikes,... Roadracing is dangerous enough with everyone headed roughly in the same direction and doing roughly the same thing... To really spice it up maybe we could throw quads in there and race on a figure 8 track?

3. So the class will be a strange hybrid of F3, ProTwins and now Motards. What a shambles

Have another read of the new guideline. This is exactly what the new guideline is addressing: that everyone will now be expected to do the same thing i.e. display the appropriate road racing style with no foot out, arse out, park it in the corner type high jinks.
If they are unable to restrain themselves then it will be game over for them, simple as that. As they will now be cornering in the "classic" road race style (cue swan lake music) there will be absolutely no excuse if a roadracer is caught behind them, they are simply being beaten by a better rider/machine combination.
What's the problem with the racing against different bikes? Should the field be regulated to be just 4 cylinder machines? Or no 2 strokes? Should we have stopped Crosby on his Kawasaki superbike competing against the Grand Prix machines? Should we not have allowed the 2 stroke 500's to compete against the MotoGP bikes in the transition years?
This is F3, mate, NZ's only class that encourages lateral thinking and I think it's entirely appropriate that any machine meeting the technical requirement is allowed to compete. If the rider (any rider for that manner) then chooses to ride in a dangerous manner, as laid out in the new guidelines, then consequences will occur. Simple.