MNZ announces Motards back in F3!

[GSVR]

D'OH! Good onya, just burst my bubble why dontcha?! Take away my delusions and I'm left with nothing


....hang on I just had a brain fart: unless we do away with the separate Motard race and just run a combined F3/Pro-twin/Motard race. Those who don't qualify get bumped into Clubman's....

Theres nothing to stop Motards entering into F2 or F1 either is there?

In the other thread in the first post MNZ is asking for opinions and submitions before considering excluding Motards from other classes like had been done in F3.

But sometime between then now MNZ has decided that it wasn't about excluding Motards from other classes but about allowing Motards back into F3.

Thats fine. If the request had read differently and was worded along the lines of "we are considering allowing Motards back into F3" then I'm certain there would have been a very different response from affected partys.

[Nicksta]

Theres nothing to stop Motards entering into F2 or F1 either is there?

In the other thread in the first post MNZ is asking for opinions and submitions before considering excluding Motards from other classes like had been done in F3.

But sometime between then now MNZ has decided that it wasn't about excluding Motards from other classes but about allowing Motards back into F3.

Thats fine. If the request had read differently and was worded along the lines of "we are considering allowing Motards back into F3" then I'm certain there would have been a very different response from affected partys.

your quite right!
the MNZ ruling is allowing them back in ALL formula classes... not just F3....
it just seems to affect F3 the most with the types of bikes involved... and myself hence my interest in the changes.....
The original voting was for F3 only.... and a F3 rule change trial.... now thanks to the non response from the trial on the road racers part... they are letting them back in all classes if the bike qualifies under the machine regulations and wualifying times i guess?

[roadracingoldfart]

As many of you that contest the VMCC will know , i have been racing for many years and have now retired to assist necomers into the sport of roadracing.
Newcomers means new riders and new classes and both are needed at times as a need arises. 250 proddie , is just one class that died taking an entry level class away from the format and F3 got alot of the fall out of that class demise.

One or two aspects of this thread have worried me and it has not yet been addressed by anyone.
Firstly, the object of giving motards thier own class and racing format was because the class was becoming popular and had a definate need within circuit racing in N.Z. but because of its exclusive riding techniques was deemed to be deserving its own class identity. I agree, it does.

Secondly, there was a call to introduce it to N.Z. racing as a spectical aimed at not only getting a few more moto-x riders to start to attend road circuit events but to draw a larger crowd to spectate these aforesaid events.
The main drawcard was promoted as a mixture of moto-x riding and circuit riding to give a fantastic and exciting race specticle. Apart from Wanganui i dont know of any other meeting (im happy to be wrong here) that has accommadated this duel track format. If i was part of the motard fraternity i would be spitting tacks over this aspect and yet now MNZ appears to be bending over the affected riders and shafting the whole concept of what was meant to be a crowd drawing specticle.
Instead of trying to gain access to the F3 class why dont the motard guys and girls ask for the dual concept to be introduced at more events so the class can do what it was aimed to. There is no need to cross enter motards to a class that does not want it (and dosnt suit it) when a concept exsists that will cover the needs.
Food for thought maybe ??? .

Paul.

[Tony.OK]

Ok so I chose to race in F1 on a litre bike, that means I can't cross enter into anything else.......................A rider chooses to race a motard, like me they have their own specific class so haven't been able to cross enter.

Whats the problem?

Racing is having a surge in numbers, new classes have been formed, everyone gets less tracktime.........................buy a suitable bike if ya want to cross enter.........simple.

[lostinflyz]

Ok so I chose to race in F1 on a litre bike, that means I can't cross enter into anything else.......................A rider chooses to race a motard, like me they have their own specific class so haven't been able to cross enter.

Whats the problem?

Racing is having a surge in numbers, new classes have been formed, everyone gets less tracktime.........................buy a suitable bike if ya want to cross enter.........simple.

100% agree. i dont particularly care where motards go but i think they have their own class now and are outta F3. the idea of cross entering now are a bit unrealistic considering the amount of new comers (including me). I mean why should a motord have its own class and F3, but not the reverse. If you wanna race more buy more bikes. its simple. I have a massive debt but id double it again to race more.

and im happy for motards to race F3 but if the motard who nearly cleaned out my front wheel (and sent me damn close to the wall of the infeild sweeper) at the have a go day down here did it in a race and i knew who it was id go for a few boxing rounds. and i have a feeling a bitta boxing maybe the outcome of this proposal in the end. but it aint the bikes or riding styles ultimately, its the people that ride them and a bit of their attitude and thats just sad. Its all club racing and people seem to forget that the motogp/supermoto teams arent scouting down here these days, and giving a wee bit might be a greater advantage. Im all good for racing and being beaten (even flogged) by a motard. But i wanna stay upright doing it, and not have to worry about what the next stupid move might be.

[Quasievil]

and im happy for motards to race F3 but if the motard who nearly cleaned out my front wheel (and sent me damn close to the wall of the infeild sweeper) at the have a go day down here did it in a race and i knew who it was id go for a few boxing rounds.

Mate you know well and true Im sure that there are far more plonkers racing sportsbikes than there are racing Motards, as pointed out its the rider in control of the bike not the style of the bike at fault.
Thata one reason Im off racing sportsbikes, to many young twats that dont understand racing ettiquitte or lines, not to mention the fields are stupid big.

[roogazza]

D'OH! Good onya, just burst my bubble why dontcha?! Take away my delusions and I'm left with nothing


....hang on I just had a brain fart: unless we do away with the separate Motard race and just run a combined F3/Pro-twin/Motard race. Those who don't qualify get bumped into Clubman's....

Thats good for us Slowpoke, raise the the 1.18 lap cut off , I don't mind wrestling with motards with my 300 kgs, and my bars are big enough !

I really can't see a problem people. Just stop this cross entering rubbish and we're sweet aren't we ?
MNZ set the classes and we buy the bikes to compete in them , simple !

gaz.

[Billy]

100% agree. i dont particularly care where motards go but i think they have their own class now and are outta F3. the idea of cross entering now are a bit unrealistic considering the amount of new comers (including me). I mean why should a motord have its own class and F3, but not the reverse. If you wanna race more buy more bikes. its simple. I have a massive debt but id double it again to race more.

and im happy for motards to race F3 but if the motard who nearly cleaned out my front wheel (and sent me damn close to the wall of the infeild sweeper) at the have a go day down here did it in a race and i knew who it was id go for a few boxing rounds. and i have a feeling a bitta boxing maybe the outcome of this proposal in the end. but it aint the bikes or riding styles ultimately, its the people that ride them and a bit of their attitude and thats just sad. Its all club racing and people seem to forget that the motogp/supermoto teams arent scouting down here these days, and giving a wee bit might be a greater advantage. Im all good for racing and being beaten (even flogged) by a motard. But i wanna stay upright doing it, and not have to worry about what the next stupid move might be.

Bloody well said mate,Anybody whose been paying attention would know that the crash rate in F3 has dropped significantly since the motards were removed.However I wouldnt go as far as to blame the riders as such.They are only trying to get the best out of their machinery and in this case it requires a completely different riding style than most racebikes,A point clearly overlooked by everybody involved in making this decision.I mean werent the 125 GP bikes removed from F3 for that very reason ?????Its unrealistic for anybody to expect a rider too ride their bike motard style in a race then go out 20mins later and ride it in a completely different style competitvely and safely,After all its hard enough to ride 2 or 3 different roadrace bikes on the same day.IE 600/SUPERBIKE OR 600?F3.Also whats the problem with crossentering?As long as the bike is eligible and can be ridden safely in more than 1 class I dont see a problem

[slowpoke]

Ok so I chose to race in F1 on a litre bike, that means I can't cross enter into anything else.......................A rider chooses to race a motard, like me they have their own specific class so haven't been able to cross enter.

Whats the problem?

Racing is having a surge in numbers, new classes have been formed, everyone gets less tracktime.........................buy a suitable bike if ya want to cross enter.........simple.

Yep, I'm in the same boat. I was hoping this meant that motards would be absorbed into F3 thereby eliminating a separate class and opening up more tracktime for everyone.

If the organisers are switched on then this may still happen. The bikes meet the technical requirements of F3 but for some reason people seem to have a fixation with treating them differently. Hopefully this will pass and it's in everyones interest that it does.

I'm not real keen on the idea of cross entry at all. We need to have a system that fosters a progression through to the premier class rather than the current set up which encourages people to stay in the middleweight classes simply to get more racing. As long as this is encouraged we will struggle to produce racers capable of challenging the established elite of Stroud, Shirriffs, Rees etc let alone the overseas burglars like Bugden, Giles and co

[slowpoke]

Thats good for us Slowpoke, raise the the 1.18 lap cut off , I don't mind wrestling with motards with my 300 kgs, and my bars are big enough !

I really can't see a problem people. Just stop this cross entering rubbish and we're sweet aren't we ?
MNZ set the classes and we buy the bikes to compete in them , simple !

gaz.

Exactly! Hmmmm, looks like I might have to start looking through the moto-X catalog to find some suitable bars for my bike.

[svr]

Bloody well said mate,Anybody whose been paying attention would know that the crash rate in F3 has dropped significantly since the motards were removed.However I wouldnt go as far as to blame the riders as such.They are only trying to get the best out of their machinery and in this case it requires a completely different riding style than most racebikes,A point clearly overlooked by everybody involved in making this decision.I mean werent the 125 GP bikes removed from F3 for that very reason ?????Its unrealistic for anybody to expect a rider too ride their bike motard style in a race then go out 20mins later and ride it in a completely different style competitvely and safely,

Exactly - old timers will tell you that radically different styles of machinery racing togethor creates rider frustration and more crashes. 250GP was taken out of F2 for the same reason.

[lostinflyz]

Mate you know well and true Im sure that there are far more plonkers racing sportsbikes than there are racing Motards, as pointed out its the rider in control of the bike not the style of the bike at fault.
Thata one reason Im off racing sportsbikes, to many young twats that dont understand racing ettiquitte or lines, not to mention the fields are stupid big.

hey now, im a young twat! (probably). I just think some common sense need apply. A rider who endangers others should be treated the same no matter what they ride. But most motards when they do something dodgy seem to lay blame off on style and not idiotic behaviour.

i agree about guys trying to get the most outta there bikes, people have different lines all over the show. If motards have to ride in a dangerous way to go fast then, put them all together and then it aint dangerous. Wait that has been done already so why are we going backwards.

Either way why do motards want to race F3. Track time?? If people start making exceptions for one class when does it stop.

[slowpoke]

hey now, im a young twat! (probably). I just think some common sense need apply. A rider who endangers others should be treated the same no matter what they ride. But most motards when they do something dodgy seem to lay blame off on style and not idiotic behaviour.

The "style" issue has now been resolved, put to bed, tucked away, iss kaput, finito etc They are to ride in the road race style not the "dog cornering on lino" style or they will be black flagged. This is clearly stated so no longer an issue

i agree about guys trying to get the most outta there bikes, people have different lines all over the show. If motards have to ride in a dangerous way to go fast then, put them all together and then it aint dangerous. Wait that has been done already so why are we going backwards.

As above, no longer an issue as they will be cornering in the same style that you/other racers are or they'll wear the consequences.
Either way why do motards want to race F3. Track time?? If people start making exceptions for one class when does it stop.

Why do motards want to race F3? Because that's where their machines fit, what's the problem?! If they bolted on clip-ons would you feel better? If they ride like everyone else and their machines are eligible how can you have a problem with it?

People deliberately buy pre 89 400's to compete in F3 and pre-89's, or SV650's to compete in F3 and 600SP, or 600's to compete in 600SP and Superbike and cross entering is currently allowed so they are hardly getting special treatment. As has already stated I don't agree with the cross entering, but while it is in place they should be entitled.

[lostinflyz]

Why do motards want to race F3? Because that's where their machines fit, what's the problem?! If they bolted on clip-ons would you feel better? If they ride like everyone else and their machines are eligible how can you have a problem with it?

People deliberately buy pre 89 400's to compete in F3 and pre-89's, or SV650's to compete in F3 and 600SP, or 600's to compete in 600SP and Superbike and cross entering is currently allowed so they are hardly getting special treatment. As has already stated I don't agree with the cross entering, but while it is in place they should be entitled.

seems pretty silly that all those bikes mentioned are generally useless in one of the classes you mention. (note that i said generally)

either way you are right about cross entering. if its allowed then hey why not. down here i see it slightly different as we have no pre 89. so im grumpy. but it seems some people want race days to be more track days.

[Kickaha]

Bloody well said mate,Anybody whose been paying attention would know that the crash rate in F3 has dropped significantly since the motards were removed.

Got some statistics to back that up?

125 GP bikes removed from F3 for that very reason

I thought they were removed because the F3 riders where a bunch of whinging bitches who couldn't handle getting beaten by them