MNZ announces Motards back in F3!

[Billy]

Got some statistics to back that up?
No none at all.Ask the F3 guys and the organisers.They,ll tell you


I thought they were removed because the F3 riders where a bunch of whinging bitches who couldn't handle getting beaten by them

Yea,Sort of the same thing,Only it was dodgy and as pointed out by SVR,the same thing happened to F2 with the 250s

[Shaun]

Exactly - old timers will tell you that radically different styles of machinery racing togethor creates rider frustration and more crashes. 250GP was taken out of F2 for the same reason.

AGREE with this and all Billy has said

Disagree with what Quasi is saying though ( Sorry mate) You have only really ever been involved in the club scene stuff, the Nats are very different

Chook chasers on the track with propper road race bikes, IS DANGEROUS SIMPLE AND DUMB

God, Hope that is not ME DUMMING down the sport again

[Robert Taylor]

AGREE with this and all Billy has said

Disagree with what Quasi is saying though ( Sorry mate) You have only really ever been involved in the club scene stuff, the Nats are very different

Chook chasers on the track with propper road race bikes, IS DANGEROUS SIMPLE AND DUMB

God, Hope that is not ME DUMMING down the sport again

For once I agree with Shaun, the steering geometry and ''sponge pudding'' suspension travel of dirtbikes neccessitates quite different cornering lines to those actually built for road race tracks. I am not against motards but it is totally correct to say that when they mix it with bikes built specifically for tarmac they do raise the level of danger significantly. That is unneccessary.
Heck, here in NZ we are not sticking to the true motard track formula anyway and our population is not big enough to support stand alone events on a regular basis. So as a home for ex MX bikes why not rebuild them as F450 bikes as is becoming popular in the States, and integrate into F3? Just thinking aloud and I think others have touted same...

[racer40]

at the Taupo road race spectacular we do not run motards with F3 as F3 fill the class up on their own. from the feedback we get from our F3 riders this is the way they like it, & so support our event. we are not against motard riders, & they also support with big feilds, & in the past have let eligible ones in BEARS to top up the class. This year to support motards they have been included in the PROMOTO tri series, of which Taupo is the final round.

[Quasievil]

For once I agree with Shaun, the steering geometry and ''sponge pudding'' suspension travel of dirtbikes ate into F3?

lol said with love........................bollocks !!! my motard whitepower suspension system is more dialed in that the sv650 ohlins, based on weight and general manouverability superiority

[Ivan]

lol said with love........................bollocks !!! my motard whitepower suspension system is more dialed in that the sv650 ohlins, based on weight and general manouverability superiority

Lol

But the 650 sounds and looks cooler

[Robert Taylor]

lol said with love........................bollocks !!! my motard whitepower suspension system is more dialed in that the sv650 ohlins, based on weight and general manouverability superiority

In all honesty I am trying to be totally subjective and devoid of emotion. This is also not an argument about differing brands of suspension
If as an engineer you were presented with an mx or motard bike and were asked to dial it in to go around a tarmac road race track as fast as possible youd end up doing rather a lot to it. Inclusive of sorting out the steering geometry either by offset triple clamps or new lower fork axle castings, firmer springing, much more low speed compression shimming and less high speed and a radical drop in ride height. I.E Turn it into a proper tarmac bike.
The end result is yes it would be a whole load less manouverable because it would take more traditional but ultimately faster lines. Motards are built for a split of dirt and tarmac sections so are essentially a compromise. Cold hard fact. The fact also remains that because of the radically different lines they take they are potentially dangerous when mixed in with proper tarmac bikes.

[Robert Taylor]

lol said with love........................bollocks !!! my motard whitepower suspension system is more dialed in that the sv650 ohlins, based on weight and general manouverability superiority

Actually Quasi I do disagree with the said personality on many things and will continue to do so BUT on what he expressed about the danger that Motards present when mixed with F3 bikes I do agree, even though the point was made less than eloquently. Concurrence where justified.
Heck, I dislike Clarkenstein with a vengeance but agree with her stance on Zimbabwe, for example.

[roadracingoldfart]

Its like arguing with the Japanese that whale hunting is bad . some people will not listen and will even create reasons to prolong a debate.

Whats more , Motards look funny

[Quasievil]

Actually Quasi I do disagree with the said personality on many things and will continue to do so BUT on what he expressed about the danger that Motards present when mixed with F3 bikes I do agree, even though the point was made less than eloquently. Concurrence where justified.
Heck, I dislike Clarkenstein with a vengeance but agree with her stance on Zimbabwe, for example.

I was drunk, nough said

[Quasievil]

Whats more , Motards look funny

Do not .....................

[Shaun]

I suppose you think TRANSVESTITES are good looking as well???

[DEATH_INC.]

I really can't see a problem people. Just stop this cross entering rubbish and we're sweet aren't we ?
MNZ set the classes and we buy the bikes to compete in them , simple !

gaz.

Right on.....

[Quasievil]

Atthis months VMCC, I dont plan on entering the F3 as I would rather race my own kind, balding fat and slow

[slowpoke]

In all honesty I am trying to be totally subjective and devoid of emotion. This is also not an argument about differing brands of suspension
If as an engineer you were presented with an mx or motard bike and were asked to dial it in to go around a tarmac road race track as fast as possible youd end up doing rather a lot to it. Inclusive of sorting out the steering geometry either by offset triple clamps or new lower fork axle castings, firmer springing, much more low speed compression shimming and less high speed and a radical drop in ride height. I.E Turn it into a proper tarmac bike.
The end result is yes it would be a whole load less manouverable because it would take more traditional but ultimately faster lines. Motards are built for a split of dirt and tarmac sections so are essentially a compromise. Cold hard fact. The fact also remains that because of the radically different lines they take they are potentially dangerous when mixed in with proper tarmac bikes.

Yep, theoretically and practically a motards suspension is always going to be compromised compared to a dedicated tarmac race bike.....BUT in reality a motard weighs significantly less than the established F3 bikes.

An Aprilia SXV 5.5 weighs about 120kg's, a Husaberg FS650 weighs just 112kg's. An SV650 in race trim is going to be at least 150kg's, probably more? That's a significant weight difference, hence I reckon a motard corners at least as well as the the average F3 bike despite the compromises.