Straight-lining corners

[swbarnett]

if it's not a one-way then the same rules have to apply --- surely it's obvious that, unless you have x ray vision, you CAN'T know whether something is coming at you head-on around that corner .... so you just have to always assume something IS and ride accordingly??

I have no argument with this. I don't believe that anyone advocating straight-lining would. One of the caveats is that you DON'T do it on a corner where there is even the merest possibility of it being called blind by anyone.

ye gods, it costs sooooo MUCH to get yer bike fixed after an off - why would ANYONE risk that when avoiding it just means keeping yer speed appropriate and yer ego in check around blind corners?

See above, noone is advocating straight-lining around blind corners.

honestly, reading back over some of these posts makes me think that some people hanging out here must either be obscenely wealthy or just uncaringly prolifigate ........

I think you've got the wrong impression. See above.

[swbarnett]

Stay in your half. In fact, on roads such as this, it is even more important to keep well to the left since, generally speaking, these roads are very windy and usually only well travelled by the local residents who become complacent since they seldom meet opposing traffic.

Totally agree.

I'd go as far as to add that if the road is less than two lanes wide you should be further over because the oncoming car (or truck) certainly won't be completely in their half.

[swbarnett]

I'd like to get one thing straight. Straight-lining is a technique to be used extremely sparingly. For one thing there are very few corners where it can be done safely and for another the traffic volume today means that even these corners often have traffic preventing the manoeuvre.

I can't remember the last time I actually straight-lined a corner and I'm almost certain that it was in a car.

Straight-lining is certainly not something to be done lightly but, done properly, you remain well within acceptable safety limits.

Like an increasing number of things eradicating this technique (among others) is being looked on by some as the next step in safety improvement i.e. "Stamp this out and we'll all be a little bit safer". While this may be true, at what cost? Take this to it's logical conclusion and motorcycles themselves will be banned.

[mstriumph]

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Straight-lining is certainly not something to be done lightly but, done properly, you remain well within acceptable safety limits.

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no offence intended
any seasoned rider can probably judge what risks can be taken and what should be avoided and when

i guess my main worry is that some newer and less-controlled riders on here will completely miss the first bit of your message and recall only the last bit ---- thus you will be quoted as having said "Straight-lining ... you remain well within acceptable safety limits"

i'm not comfortable with that
and, if you think about it, i don't think you would be either

- from some of the postings i get the impression that there are a fair few newer and less-experienced riders on KB ... we need to be aware of who is listening to some of the things we say here - and how they may misinterpret it to their detriment ?

sheesh - i think i just made a "think of the CHILDREN" post .........*runs off screaming .......*

[dangerous]

Straight-lining is certainly not something to be done lightly but, done properly, you remain well within acceptable safety limits.

Ohh get a grip man, it cant be done properly because it should not be done full stop, only a lazy bastard will do it... its as simple as that.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

Man is this thread still going...

[Oscar]

Man is this thread still going...

...in a straight line!



Bwahahahahahahah!

[trustme]

Ohh get a grip man, it cant be done properly because it should not be done full stop, only a lazy bastard will do it... its as simple as that.

Only a dumb bastard makes such a dumb statement

[scumdog]

Only a dumb bastard makes such a dumb statement

So perceptive for one so low in post count...

[dangerous]

Only a dumb bastard makes such a dumb statement

Please explain what you mean... or I will have to asume you are one of these lazy un skilled riders that dosnt give a shit about the other road users, and if I am correct to asume you are a profesional driver... then you should know beter and bring a bad name to the rest of the trucking cominuty.

[Subike]

Dumb Bastards, Lazy readers, Stupid riders,
Name calling by the lot of you.
Go and Read the first post and open your fucking eyes!
This article was , yes about straight lining corners, but
IN POLICE TRAINING FOR PERSUIT OF OFFENDERSHere you all are arguing over the issues pertaining to this subject, yet the majority of the posters more than likely, never read the first post, used thier brains, then discovered, it was a police training tactic!
So what do we get?
Person A posts information, person B responds, persons C to H start the ball rolling. The first page if full! Next page we start the typical bouncing of comments off each other without thinking of the origional post!
now, who are the The Dumb Bastards, Lazy readers, Stupid riders? All that dont bother to read the FIRST post, thus assume that this thread is about advocating a skill for general biker use!
The arguments begin, tempers fly, insults are tossed around, and we get a thread full of crap!

The police have to catch offending vehicle in their job discription, so straight lining corners must become part of thier training. Simple!


Open you eyes people and read!!!

Then half the grief created in this thread would not have happened

[dangerous]

Dumb Bastards, Lazy readers, Stupid riders,
Name calling by the lot of you.
Go and Read the first post and open your fucking eyes!
This article was , yes about straight lining corners, but
IN POLICE TRAINING FOR PERSUIT OF OFFENDERSHere you all are arguing over the issues pertaining to this subject, yet the majority of the posters more than likely, never read the first post, used thier brains, then discovered, it was a police training tactic!
So what do we get?
Person A posts information, person B responds, persons C to H start the ball rolling. The first page if full! Next page we start the typical bouncing of comments off each other without thinking of the origional post!
now, who are the The Dumb Bastards, Lazy readers, Stupid riders? All that dont bother to read the FIRST post, thus assume that this thread is about advocating a skill for general biker use!
The arguments begin, tempers fly, insults are tossed around, and we get a thread full of crap!

The police have to catch offending vehicle in their job discription, so straight lining corners must become part of thier training. Simple!


Open you eyes people and read!!!

Then half the grief created in this thread would not have happened

CHILL OUT man, so the thread digressed, so what its what forums do, I hope my comments help just one rider if so the threads sucsessfull... and what do you want us all wraped up in cotton wool??? name calling so what i often call my self a dumb c@#t so what... spose you are all for the no smaking kids bullshit to?

OHhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... I get it your troling doing just what you acused others of


PS: BTW while thread was aimed at the police (and we know they are the best drivers/riders around, why just yesterday a police car over turned a 4x4 in town while chasing a speeding moped) some people will think if its good pratice for the cops.. its good for me next minite everone is doing it and THAT... is what this thread is about.

[Subike]

I think that any new rider reading this thread would understand that the risks involved cutting corners have been well explained.
Any long term rider could also see from this thread that straight lining corners may not be a "safe" option, if they were to go by the reasonably high percentage of riders who have posted here that it is not "reasonably safe" to straightline corners.
Now the big trick is!
How do you get people not to ride in a way that is going to include "straight lining corners"
You can not stop a person making that choice!
But as most have done here, we can advise against it, give good reasons why it should not be done, give examples of what can result from doing it, even post pics or vids showing the aftermath of straight lining cornering.
In the end the result will be more information to those who bother to read the whole thread.
The best we can ever hope for is that somewhere on a New Zealand road, a rider from KB will remember reading this thread, and not cut a corner, thus by doing so, misses hitting that vehicle he did not see.
All of our opinions, for and against, have made for a good discuission that has kept this in our faces for this week at least.
Which is a good thing, that the start of the summer season, to be reminded to be carefull out there.
My opinion on the subject?
I love corners, so the white line I treat as a wall, even when I can see the way is clear.

na just adding to the wall of chaos D

[trustme]

Please explain what you mean... or I will have to asume you are one of these lazy un skilled riders that dosnt give a shit about the other road users, and if I am correct to asume you are a profesional driver... then you should know beter and bring a bad name to the rest of the trucking cominuty.

Yes I suppose I could be considered a professional driver, I quite regulrly operate large trucks & transporters , some with piloted overwidth loads, at times simply to get around a corner without mounting a curb or taking out lamp posts I have to go on the wrong side of the road, there have been numerous occasions when I sit wide to take a tight left & fuckwits in cars fireup the inside trying to shoot the gap, fortunately I have developed almost a sixth sense & know what the dickheads are up to so I have not taken anyuone out in years.
What I was getting at was that making broad sweeping comments like yours, makes no allowance for different circumstances or situations.
If we followed your logic nonone would speed because it is not necessary & dangerous, we would all be little LTSA clones
I straight line on occasions, if I am sure there is no traffic coming, bet you speed on occasions, if you chose not to straght line a corner,great it is your choice

[MSTRS:Me]

... if you chose not to straght line a corner,great it is your choice

Of course it is a choice. A choice of whether to OBEY THE ROAD RULE OF KEEP LEFT.