Straight-lining corners

[scumdog]

.obviously you do it only when visiblity is very good...there is NO chance of meeting another vehicle.

Like say a cop-car???

[SpeedMonger]

Personally, i get more satisfation out of maintaining velocity/momentum and staying in my own lane on both bike and in my cages, it's somewhat more challenging. Especially enjoy keeping up with someone who thinks they are quick - straightlining the twisties whilst I keep between the lines, fun showing the useless pricks up.

[scumdog]

Personally, i get more satisfation out of maintaining velocity/momentum and staying in my own lane on both bike and in my cages, it's somewhat more challenging. Especially enjoy keeping up with someone who thinks they are quick - straightlining the twisties whilst I keep between the lines, fun showing the useless pricks up.

True - after all what use is it if you can only cut some corners but not others - especially the corner you can't see around??

And the ones you know are the ones you shouldn't need to cut...

[swbarnett]

When I say "completely sure that it is safe" I don't mean "sure that it is completely safe"

Aha! Now we see the crux of the matter. It does seem that I read something in to what you said that was not there. My apologies.

[scracha]

so, ummmm.
what the fuck is the point? if your going so fast that you need to use the other lane then you need to learn to turn a bike or slow down.
my $.00002 worth

Disagree and always will. This question has been argued to death on here.....even with crappy ms paint drawings.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...5&postcount=44

[swbarnett]

A question for those that have argued that there is no point to straight-lining because they like corners. When was the last time you went for a blat and stayed parallel to the centre line on every corner? You are in essence doing what you say there's no point to. Using the whole road to do it where appropriate is merely an extension of your own corner lines.

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

A question for those that have argued that there is no point to straight-lining because they like corners. When was the last time you went for a blat and stayed parallel to the centre line on every corner? You are in essence doing what you say there's no point to. Using the whole road to do it where appropriate is merely an extension of your own corner lines.

There is a huge bloody difference between straightening your lane and straightening the whole road...

[swbarnett]

There is a huge bloody difference between straightening your lane and straightening the whole road...

I agree that there is a big difference in the safety concerns. This is why it's something I seldom do as most corners are not suitable.

My point was aimed at those who can't understand why anyone would want to do it. It has been said that people enjoy corners and, therefore, don't see the point of straight-lining. My question in response is that if they enjoy corners so much why do they straighten them, even if they are staying in their own lane?

[MarkH]

My point was aimed at those who can't understand why anyone would want to do it. It has been said that people enjoy corners and, therefore, don't see the point of straight-lining. My question in response is that if they enjoy corners so much why do they straighten them, even if they are staying in their own lane?

For that matter - why don't those people ride inside-outside-inside to exaggerate every corner they come to?

There are plenty of roads in NZ with fun corners, even if now and again you might cut one. I loved the Waihi-Whangamata and Whangamata-Kopu roads on Saturday - fun in the twisties and only one corner that I crossed the centre line on (a huge amount of corners that I would never consider cutting).

[scumdog]

An invisible car? If there is anywhere where a car could pull out from that you cannot see then you do NOT have good visibility..

The cemetery has some fine riders resting in it.
The very same riders that did not know there WAS a car they could not see in a location they did not realise existed for such a situation to occur, THEY thought they had 'good visibility'.

THAT was the 'invisible' car.....

[NighthawkNZ:Me]

My point was aimed at those who can't understand why anyone would want to do it. It has been said that people enjoy corners and, therefore, don't see the point of straight-lining. My question in response is that if they enjoy corners so much why do they straighten them, even if they are staying in their own lane?

I go wider on the right handed corner so when the bike is in the lean I don't put me head over the white line so it don't get knocked off by an on coming car... I try not to cut the corner and put any part of me or the bike in the on coming traffic lane... It has happened on occassion we I completely fuck up the line and miss judged the corner... I am usually killing myself when I do...

I cut the left handed corners to the whit line as it makes them tighter and more fun... I try not to go too wide and go in to the other lane

[MarkH]

The cemetery has some fine riders resting in it.
The very same riders that did not know there WAS a car they could not see in a location they did not realise existed for such a situation to occur, THEY thought they had 'good visibility'.

All I know is that I have ridden on roads that have nowhere for a car or even a small dog to hide. Think flat farmland and wire fences. But the general habit should be to NOT cut corners, the corners that you might cut are the exception and you can just use them to practise cornering well without cutting anyway. No one NEEDS to cut corners, it is possible to ride the length and breadth of the country without using the entire road on corners.

If you do want to cut a corner then you should plan it well ahead, this means you will need to be able to see all the way through the corner and beyond well before you get to the corner. If this can't be achieved then don't worry - you can always ride around the corner in your own lane, it's not that hard to do.

Note: I have never advocated making corner cutting a regular practise or suggested that learner should do it at all. The risk is often not worth it - head-on collisions are worst type and you don't want to risk that on a regular basis. If you are not confident that it is safe to cross the centre line then DON'T! You will get more riding done and have more fun if you are alive to do it.

[Shadows]

My question in response is that if they enjoy corners so much why do they straighten them, even if they are staying in their own lane?

For that matter - why don't those people ride inside-outside-inside to exaggerate every corner they come to?

For fuckssakes. What a pathetic argument.

You guys are missing the point entirely.

[swbarnett]

For fuckssakes. What a pathetic argument.

You guys are missing the point entirely.

As I understand it from previous posts in this thread:

1. Crossing the centre line on ANY corner is just to dangerous to be worth it.

2. There's no point to straight lining because bikes are made to take corners.

Does this about sum it up? Did I miss anything?

My answer to point 1 is that, yes, crossing the centre line on a corner is more dangerous than staying on your own side. But, like any technique on a bike, done properly the risk is well within acceptable limits (for me anyway, your risk threshold may be lower than mine). Also, staying more upright has got to reduce your chances of a low side.

In response to point 2 I simply asked why riders take a line through corners that has a greater curvature than the road itself if they love corners so much. They are, in essence "straightening the curve", just not to the same degree.

[dangerous]

The article below

With only reading the 1st post Id like to say...WHAT A FUCKING LOAD A BLOODY BULLSHIT
1st the road rules say keep left for a reason
2nd if straight lining is done then the rider is going to fast (out of control)
3rd bloody lazy salfish riding habbit
4th the roads not a race track (go to the track if you want to use all the seal)
5th if done so as to avoid debri on bends... learn to ride.
6th... just plain dumb.

There is no reason to cross the center of the road at all in general road riding, head ons hapen due to crosing the center (explain otherwise)
This idea of a tecneck is very selfish, what about the rider behind... he cant pass a loopy rider using all the road the rider in front of the loopy has no idea were the loop is, what about the rider oncomming you people have heard of blind spots aye? they are REAL... fuck sakes lets just promote decent safe riding aye, and slow down.

What happens is this bad habbit becomes automatic and one day with out relising it you will cut a corner by habbit while thinking about the root you missed out on the night before and BANG

If you want to ride in a straight line buy a car