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**Zapf** · 22nd January 2005, 17:09

Originally Posted by Rainbow Wizard

Yet another story to back up NZ Police inadequacies. Days are shown in brackets[*]: [1]Stolen item identified for sale on TradeMe > Police notified 5 days before auction closes > Action: NIL > [5] As I knew (but had totally lost track of the owner) I successfully bid on the item to prevent it from disppearing into the ether then did some detective work to trace the vendor (not otherwise publicly traceable: hotmail address, no reply to my emails) turns out the vendor AND TradeMe had both been notified [3] of its stolen status by another person >[6] sighted the item at vendor's temporary workplace but still unable trace genuine owner > [7] obtained owner's email & notified him of the situation and passed on vendor's first name (all he would volunteer) and work location >[7] Police notified >[10] Police advise they have identified vendor's name & address >[14] Police email owner alleging insufficient detail supplied to prove item offered for sale was his. This was total BS, his name was embossed in 50mm high letters on a totally prominent position AND the serial number was also given to the Police. UNBLOODY-BELIEVABLE INCOMPETANCE >[15] Owner visits Regional Commander to complain > [18] Police verify vendor's description & place of work with me >[21] Officer to whom the burglary was originally reported verifies details to establish sufficient criteria exists to justify search warrant > [22] Item recovered.

I'm totally surprised the vendor hadn't quit or destroyed the item, denial is usually the first form of defence. I am also absolutely confident that had I not secured the bid and sighted the item the Police action would have been ZIP, despite the irrefutable evidence. But as we all know, leave your seatbelt (some of us own cars too) off or exceed the speed limit (read: exhibit an opportunity for revenue gathering) and they'll be on us like a plague. Boy have these fellers and their bigwig bureaucrat bosses got some damage control task in front of them!

I recon you should send the above letter to your local MP.

**Rainbow Wizard** · 22nd January 2005, 17:42

Originally Posted by WINJA

SO LET ME HAVE MY OPINION WITHOUT HAVING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON ME

So how many holes you got in your feet Mr Uppercase WINJA?

**MSTRS:Me** · 22nd January 2005, 17:49

Originally Posted by scumdog

Now theres a man with a shit-load of common sense!! Good stuff, glad to see somebody else notices that, as I said in another thread, traffic aside the Police are making the same number of mistakes as they did 10-20 years ago, only now the media seem to have an agenda to make as much of it as they can, unlike a few years back.

Newspaper editors? they're behind politicians and child molesters - a LONG way behind.

And even car salesmen are ahead of the above bunch

I agree with the common sense thing. I do realise that newspapers need to be controversial etc to boost sales, but felt that the article was good enough to stand on it's merits to illustrate people's frustrations re the police & how they are viewed by the public.
Disagree with the editor being lower etc. I mean, come on.....

**spudchucka** · 22nd January 2005, 19:39

Originally Posted by denill

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.

What is obvious to me is that the people doing the whinging have the least understanding of the truth. They rely on media and word of mouth for the information that their opinions are based on. How many times have you read someone on this forum, in one of these "police" threads say something along the lines of "I have heard the police....... WHATEVER". Hearing of something is a far cry from knowing something. I have nothing against people holding opinions but when they are based on hear-say and second hand information the opinions are worthless.

Originally Posted by denill

It is not you guys in the front line (apart from a few who are just arseholes anyway) but the REAL problem is - the directions from the hierachy.

This I agree with.

Originally Posted by denill

spudchucka - if you are really honest would you admit to at times being directed to carry out some activities that you consider unpalatable??

No never. I have never been forced to do something that I don't agree with. There are directives from above that I've thought are BS but I just ignore them and do what I think is right. I haven't got in the shit for it yet.

**spudchucka** · 22nd January 2005, 19:40

Originally Posted by Blakamin

I wish they'd just lock all the BRs up and be done with the fuckers

Me too but don't forget that there are probably just as many people who would say the same about bikers????

**spudchucka** · 22nd January 2005, 19:52

Originally Posted by marty

it is easy to see how, without the full picture, the perception of a situation leads to conclusions being drawn.

Thats what the nay sayers continually fail to see. Blind in one eye and can't see out of the other.

**spudchucka** · 22nd January 2005, 19:57

Originally Posted by Zapf

yea I have similar gruge... all they care is about speeding, when I drive all of 25km's home from city to howick and I see 3 red light runners, all of them running reds clearly. after around 1 to 2 seconds after the reds came on.

Its those KPI's I tell you.... (Key Performance Indicators) e.g how many speeders and not red light runners

You are wrong. Traffic cops get allocated duties relating to speed, restraints, general road behaviour, drink driving, intersections etc etc. Not just speed. If a cop had seen the red light runner I assure you they would have been dealt with. BTW how many people complain when cops sit up the road from a stop sign or traffic light controlled intersection, pinging people for failing to stop. Heaps, I've had some say, "why aren't you out there catching the speeders and drink drivers"?

**avgas** · 22nd January 2005, 20:22

Originally Posted by spudchucka

"why aren't you out there catching the speeders and drink drivers"?

Thats actually true, so very sad.
Funny thing was i remember them justifying camera towers as : "A means to free up the police force to return to normal duties".

but no i didnt work that way did it.
We need some form of vigilante fighting force :sneaky2:

**mikey** · 22nd January 2005, 20:44

in reference to myself saying

""i want to be a cop""

an spudchuka saying

""dream on""

with the amount of drop kick dumb fucks they let into police school under very minimal bendable requirements -article from feb last year where they let a 17 year old in on a restricted licence, an a few others who didnt meet the requirtements

i think i would do quite fine as a copper, bar any criminal history i have, which next time the police are doing an intake an have a shortage i am sure they will bend that one for me

normal beat cops (NOTE NOT TRAFFIC COPS - HIGH WAY PATROL) are far under paid for what they have to do - deal with mainly the scum or low life of society - i would assume deal mainly with the low life of society as they are the ones commiting crimes not nice people like myself

, but hey its could be a very rewarding job
cheers to all people who gave me bad rep points for saying i wanted to be a cop once an you will probably do it again after this post. as I am back at number 1 on ""THE LIST"" rightly where i belong, not hte alter ego ""the knight rider"" who surely everybody knows who is, as i know an i am a full newb on this site....

winja .... ""capstard"".... i love it dude.... keep up the humor its appreciated by one... probably even some

hitcher.. yes i can spell, sometimes, an punctuate, how about you give me bad rep points for being lazy, yes i am an asshole at times more bad rep points maybe...

**avgas** · 22nd January 2005, 22:24

Originally Posted by Firefight

Not sure what your on about this time, but unlike yourself, I don,t hand out bad reps just because I don,t like what people post, must be one of your other kb freinds......
F/F

Apparently honda does, i just became senior to find this.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water to water - but at the end of the day its still a dumb horse.
PS: Honda i dont give bad reps ever - i actually like your arguments, thats what i debate is for. And as for ignorance.......

still i would like to thank the bad rep people that i have met, means at the end of the day you hated my argument, it pissed you off, and you wasted precious time on me

**inlinefour** · 23rd January 2005, 06:27

Originally Posted by avgas

Apparently honda does, i just became senior to find this.
Oh well, you can lead a horse to water to water - but at the end of the day its still a dumb horse.
PS: Honda i dont give bad reps ever - i actually like your arguments, thats what i debate is for. And as for ignorance.......

still i would like to thank the bad rep people that i have met, means at the end of the day you hated my argument, it pissed you off, and you wasted precious time on me

Have not handed out a bad rep point now for a while, not recieved one either.

**justsomeguy** · 23rd January 2005, 15:47

Originally Posted by WINJA

OK ILL BRING MY RIDE ON MOWER SO YOU CAN KEEP UP

Where were you? You didn't come did you?

So full of

...........

**Waylander** · 23rd January 2005, 16:14

dont mind me just tryin to become something other than "moped rider"
but anyway im sure this has been said before but im gonna say it again anywway

cops are just peaple doin a job, some are bad at it, some are good at it and some are just plain dicks. now how is that different from where you work?

**Velox** · 23rd January 2005, 18:18

Originally Posted by spudchucka

OK............. maybe theres a sign there but I can't quite figure it out.

Yeah - perhaps I should stick to bikes! (I don't have a car licence)

Cheers for the reply SpC - good to hear a bit of a balanced view and from the "other side" too.