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[scumdog]

The AA and various other organisations have been using this technology for years. It would be great to see the Police utilising it too.

It's on its way Slim, of course the INCIS debacle screwed the Police for a lot of money that would have bought useful stuff like you mentioned - plus axtra staff, radios that can't be scanned etc etc. :disapint:

Just had our colour printer removed from work as it was deemed unnecessary, now pics of all the crims, exhibit pics etc are in black and white. (maybe it's 'cos the law is black and white eh?)

"If you look carefully you can see a bit of dark stain, that's actually blood on the victim but you'll have to use your imagination 'cos we aren't allowed a colour printer."

[spudchucka]

Read this story posted on stuff.co.nz


http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3176933a10,00.html


no wonder so many crimes are going unsolved. i would say that i am surprised but, that would be lying.

Ignoring the Hawkes Bay story in the mean time because I don't believe that the actual facts have been disclosed, the report highlights something that pisses a lot of cops off too. Even some of the ones that do traffic duty.

Some traffic bosses are directing their staff not to attend any general duties jobs because they want to keep their staff out on the roads doing what they are paid to do. Thats fair enough to an extent but not at the risk of the publics safety. Who knows what the bosses reasoning is behind it, maybe they get a big bonus at the end of the year?

I know that not all of the traffic bosses are like this however and in my area they are really good at turning up to jobs when there are no GDB cops available.

Its definitely an area the police need to have a look at and impliment some changes. If you are a cop you should be available to attend any job if required, regardless of what your specific core duties are.

[Clockwork]

Just had our colour printer removed from work as it was deemed unnecessary, now pics of all the crims, exhibit pics etc are in black and white. (maybe it's 'cos the law is black and white eh?)

Humour!......... ark ark ark.

:tick:VG

[hobdar]

Everything you read in the media is not FACT...There job is to sell newspapers..ideally they should be writing with an unbiased view but hell how many articles do you read that speak about the good things that happen in this world............

Little or none...Just cause someone puts together a few facts from one witness does not make it true, it needs to be coroborated(sp?) and backed up from different sources and bad mouthing the police right now is selling papers...

that said my experiences with the Police have been all good, even those ones when they caught me doing what i shouldn't. From reading the WHOLE of this thread (and forgive me i may have missed some points due to the mud slinging) But i have formed a few thoughts

1 We need to accept responsibility for our actions, we have rights to ride our bikes /cars within the constraints of the law..if we get caught tough shit...pay up and shut up.

2 in my experiences with the cops including dialing 111 due to people doping up and then getting into fights and a mental patient trying to break into my home and then steal my car....They have always been prompt and efficent and helpful....When we got burgled they have not always been prompt but have turned up with hours in one case and the next day in another..and they have always been polite and curteous.
The multiple times i got pulled over in my old dunga car the cops were prompt efficent and curteous perhaps the bad experiences people have had are due to the attitude projected by them or the peers around them at the time as well?

3 Yes there are some bad apples. Same type of assholes as the place i work..would you do there job? Could you do there job?

4 If a cop was getting beat on i would do my best to help, they have a shit job following someone elses (sometimes ) shit rules and have to enforce them.

Having read some of the forums people seem to bag each other a lot here (especially the cops) or am i being hyper sensitive...i think those people bagging the cops need to arrange a ride along with them and see what there days are really like.....and the crap they have to put up with on a daily basis......

Repeat after me you will make shorter posts you will make shorter posts

[marty]

Having read some of the forums people seem to bag each other a lot here (especially the cops) or am i being hyper sensitive...i think those people bagging the cops need to arrange a ride along with them and see what there days are really like.....and the crap they have to put up with on a daily basis......

that is the most sensible thing i have heard on this debate, but you can betcha the likes of winja and his skanky cronies would just be too scared to do it

[loosebruce]

that is the most sensible thing i have heard on this debate, but you can betcha the likes of winja and his skanky cronies would just be too scared to do it

Hell i'll come for a ride wit you, you talking bikes or on patrol, either or i'd still come, i'm sick of all the shit bagging cops too, they're human and make mistakes like everyone else and the shit they cop (xcuse the pun) for it is unbelivable. No one really has the right to bag them unless they are in it and know exactly what its like to be a cop, the job must be one of the toughest out there, respect.
I've been doing my job for almost 8 years now, and wanted a change, i rang the 0800 NEWCOPS earlier in the week to find out info as i was interested in a challeging job and being a HP bike cop sounds pretty cool to me, only they told me that cause of my previous driving record i would be unable to apply just yet, but to try again later.
I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something

[Clockwork]

Lifted from the Fast and Safe thread.....

Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.

This, I can't agree with. We are not living in a Police State, the Police are still Public Servants. If its not the publics right then whose is it :spudwhat: . In practical terms it is the Government's, and one way the public exert pressure on the Government is by complaining about their policies,

kinda like what we are doing here, and at FastAndSafe.

[Midnight 82]

Hell i'll come for a ride wit you, you talking bikes or on patrol, either or i'd still come, i'm sick of all the shit bagging cops too, they're human and make mistakes like everyone else and the shit they cop (xcuse the pun) for it is unbelivable. No one really has the right to bag them unless they are in it and know exactly what its like to be a cop, the job must be one of the toughest out there, respect.
I've been doing my job for almost 8 years now, and wanted a change, i rang the 0800 NEWCOPS earlier in the week to find out info as i was interested in a challeging job and being a HP bike cop sounds pretty cool to me, only they told me that cause of my previous driving record i would be unable to apply just yet, but to try again later.
I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something

I feel the same most police I know are real nice guys. They serve us well trying to keep us all safe. They dont make the rules they just steer them for the good of all. It has to balance out over every-one. If you make speed limits and rules higher what about the young ones whom are just learning and need to be kept to a safe controled way. I feel people that bag cops are only sulking because they dont meet the high standard it takes to join the force. :spudwhat: Well to all the coppers on this site THANKYOU and at the end of the day if you pull these moaners up on the road i feel sorry for them ay hehe Keep up the good work yous are a special kind of breed that is for sure.

[Firefight]

I also looked at a firefighter, i heard theres an opening down pukekohe way, word has it an old dinosaur works there and they're sick of waiting up for him and his walking frame to catch up, rides an R6 or something

So, you like hospital food Bruce ? perhaps you would like some broken legs to go with your broken wrists , oh and btw its a "Zimmer Frame " with an R6 engine.. Re you your new job try this link,

www.fire.org.nz , would be happy to give you a character reference..

I guess something like " Fuck yeah hes a bloody character okay". let me know

F/F

[spudchucka]

Lifted from the Fast and Safe thread.....



This, I can't agree with. We are not living in a Police State, the Police are still Public Servants. If its not the publics right then whose is it :spudwhat: . In practical terms it is the Government's, and one way the public exert pressure on the Government is by complaining about their policies,

kinda like what we are doing here, and at FastAndSafe.

The police as a law enforcement agency must be able to operate independantly of direct meddling from outside influences. The Govt however obvisously has direct input through the passing of laws and the minister of police and police commisioner.

However the day to day operation of the police must remain the domain of the police. Too much input from one party can adversly effect another party, the nature of the job requires that police are remain impartial and outside influences dictating terms and policy will simply erode that impartiality. The public has redress by way of making police complaints, defending charges in Court, lobying polititians and by changing the Govt at the next election.

[mikey]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudchucka
Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.



YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER

[Clockwork]

The police as a law enforcement agency must be able to operate independantly of direct meddling from outside influences. The Govt however obvisously has direct input through the passing of laws and the minister of police and police commisioner.

However the day to day operation of the police must remain the domain of the police. Too much input from one party can adversly effect another party, the nature of the job requires that police are remain impartial and outside influences dictating terms and policy will simply erode that impartiality. The public has redress by way of making police complaints, defending charges in Court, lobying polititians and by changing the Govt at the next election.

You phrase it much better this time and I find I am happy to agree with this. What does trouble me from time to time is when I hear of the Police (adminstration OR association) lobbying for law changes to make the job easier. I can't recall a specific instance now but I know I've seen it happening. It generally seems to result in another loss of personal freedom for all of society and, lets face it, most of us aren't crims.

[scumdog]

Quote:
Originally Posted by spudchucka
Its not the publics right to decide what the police tolerance levels will be. Public opinion should of course be listened to but the police must be able to operate independently of direct influence from the Govt or the public.



YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER

Of course to negate any problems of incinsistant "tolerance levels" the letter of the law should be adhered to without variation, then the Mensa rejects that type only in caps would have no reason to complain eh?
Public vote in politician, politicians make laws, Police administer and apply them = total ecstacy from public who voted in aforementioned politicians!!

What's that WINJA?, you never voted those politicians in you say? BAD LUCK, welcome to the real world and "the system" matey

[WINJA]

Of course to negate any problems of incinsistant "tolerance levels" the letter of the law should be adhered to without variation, then the Mensa rejects that type only in caps would have no reason to complain eh?
Public vote in politician, politicians make laws, Police administer and apply them = total ecstacy from public who voted in aforementioned politicians!!

What's that WINJA?, you never voted those politicians in you say? BAD LUCK, welcome to the real world and "the system" matey

WHAT EVER PIG, THATS WHY I DONT STOP ANYMORE, I THINK YOULL FIND THE MORE THE LAW TIGHTENS UP THE MORE PEOPLE WILL JOIN ME, SOON I WONT HAVE A REG WARRANT NUMBER PLATE OR LICENCE, AND IM GOING TO DO RUNNERS PAST YOUR LOCAL SCHOOLS AT 3 PM SEE WHOS LAUGHING THEN PIG

[spudchucka]

YEAH BRING BACK MILITARY STATES.......... GREAT IDEA SPUD...... SHAME THAT OUR ARMY IS SO PATHETIC............ POLICE ALONE CANT DEAL WITH MOST OF THE SHIT THAT GOES ON IN A CIVILISED DEMOCRACY........... THEY WILL LOSE ANY CONTROL WITHIN DAYS!

SHAME ON YOU YOU FACSIST WANABE POWER TRIPPER

I see you are now a WINJA apprentice Capstard too. Did I suggest a military state? No! Can you read and make sense of the written word? I doubt it somehow.