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YOU MAY THINK IM FULL OF SHIT AND THATS OK, BUT ID TAKE A BET YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC WIFE BEATER, COPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DISTURBED PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET YOU WERE PROBABLY PICKED ON AS A KID SO YOU GOT A JOB THAT GIVES YOU A POWER TRIP. I KNOW YOUR TYPE.

... than some one who knows it all. That is some one, like you, who thinks he knows it all. Might be time for a drink winja.

[scumdog]

YOU MAY THINK IM FULL OF SHIT AND THATS OK, BUT ID TAKE A BET YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC WIFE BEATER, COPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DISTURBED PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET YOU WERE PROBABLY PICKED ON AS A KID SO YOU GOT A JOB THAT GIVES YOU A POWER TRIP. I KNOW YOUR TYPE.

Haha!! That is SO funny once again WINJA!!

It is me to a "T", just ask anybody that has met me, - I almost think YOU must have met me??

Maybe when you got that 111kph ticket?

[Lou Girardin]

YOU MAY THINK IM FULL OF SHIT AND THATS OK, BUT ID TAKE A BET YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC WIFE BEATER, COPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DISTURBED PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET YOU WERE PROBABLY PICKED ON AS A KID SO YOU GOT A JOB THAT GIVES YOU A POWER TRIP. I KNOW YOUR TYPE.

Nah. His wife beats him............at everything.

[scumdog]

Nah. His wife beats him............at everything.

Only with the velvet whips.....

[inlinefour]

Yeah, whatever you do don't complain. Robbie's upset and George is threatening to resign.

BTW How long does it take for them to improve their standards. People are getting hurt.

if people did not do farking stupid and dangerous acts on the road and in the process break the law. Then perhaps less people would be getting hurt???

[Kickaha]

YOU MAY THINK IM FULL OF SHIT AND THATS OK, BUT ID TAKE A BET YOU ARE AN ALCOHOLIC WIFE BEATER, COPS ARE SOME OF THE MOST DISTURBED PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET YOU WERE PROBABLY PICKED ON AS A KID SO YOU GOT A JOB THAT GIVES YOU A POWER TRIP. I KNOW YOUR TYPE.

It's all true mate,I've visited his house and you can hardly walk down the hall without tripping over empty whiskey bottles and drunken comatose police officers,but he doesn't beat his wife it's the other way around and then only if he asks her nicely

[avgas]

Its not a true relationship till ya wife can beat ya back........you guys are all just rookies that hit girls

[1500 Phil]

Hi,
I own and Manage a Security firm so this is what I believe you can do.

1/ Do not get involved in any Police work as you are Joe Public and the Police are time and time again telling Joe Public to leave the Police work to the Police.. If in doubt read your Sunday papers and Watch Tv police 10/7 is good one, they are always telling you as the Public to watch and record details but don't get involved.

2/ If a Lone Police officer is arresting someone and it turns to Crap and the cop gets a beating and you as Joe Public get involved and give the Crim a bash then you could be liable for your actions ..

3/ Crims have rights ( thanks to the do gooders ) and they use these rights to the MAX, there are Scumbag lawyers out there that just love this kind of work !! Yep they do it for FREE if they loose but look out if they win and you get finded and have to pay !!!

4/ If you are protecting your castle or belongings you are allowed to use " reasonable force " to deter or send the CRIM packing ..

" reasonable Force " is decided by the court on the day of your hearing, I have 7 versions of " reasonable force " action brought againist me by yes the Police and all 7 have been TOSSED by the COURT !!!

We should be able to assist the Police if they are in trouble , but due to the do gooders of NZ we have our hands tied..

You help out the police at your own risk ..

I have serious doubts regarding that comment, but I would try to help in a non violent way. The only law I am aware of that says you can assault someone is if they are attempting suicide, then you can use any force required to stop the person

[Skyryder]

What we need is higher unemployment and shitty working conditions in the private sector then people would look at things like police as being a viable option. At the moment there are so many better options why would anyone want to get assaulted, spat at, abused, risk their lives etc etc for a pathetic $42,000.

I don't often comment on your posts Spud but you got it wrong here. Are you seriously suggesting that to increase Police recruitment we should go back to the Rodgenomics philosophy and the associated social problems that went with it. As for the Employment Contract Act that was part and parcel of the shity working conditions that you espouse, that caused more social problems than HART ever did. It's just that they were hidden in private dwellings, out of the glare of the TV cameras.


Skyryder

PS $42,000 is not a bad starting rate with little or no qualifications.

[MSTRS:Me]

It's not about the money - it's a calling. Besides where else can a young fella(ess) get that sort of money if they are income driven.

[spudchucka]

I don't often comment on your posts Spud but you got it wrong here. Are you seriously suggesting that to increase Police recruitment we should go back to the Rodgenomics philosophy and the associated social problems that went with it. As for the Employment Contract Act that was part and parcel of the shity working conditions that you espouse, that caused more social problems than HART ever did. It's just that they were hidden in private dwellings, out of the glare of the TV cameras.


Skyryder

PS $42,000 is not a bad starting rate with little or no qualifications.

No I'm not seriously suggesting we go back to those days. I'm just highlighting some of the difficulties in recruiting the right people into policing when they can do so much better in the private sector. Its been seen in the past when the private sector strikes difficult times and employees are made redundant you get a percentage of the work force that will look at Govt occupations because they provide relative stability. Police being one of those Govt jobs.

I agree that $42,000 is agood starting salary if you are young, single, mortgage free, don't live in Dorkland etc etc. However if you are a thirty something with wife, kids, mortgage blah blah blah when you join like the majority of recruits these days are then $42,000 does not go very far.

Bottom line is that nobody joins the police for the money these days. I gave up a $60K+ job to join up because I hated what I was doing and I had always wanted to have a go at policing. I'm not moaning about what I earn now, (although naturally I think I should be paid shit loads more, who doesn't?) but I believe a lot of people that would otherwise join up don't join once they have sat down and done the math.

As for qualifications, most recruits these days have had careers outside of police for many years prior to joining. They are tradesmen, teachers, university graduates of all types, some have little or no schooling but have applied themselves well and have great common sense and general knowledge. They are a true cross section of society.

Recruits are required to complete university papers as part of their probationary period before they are granted a permanent appointment. To be promoted above constable requires further university study and many internal police exams. If they were uneducated and unqualified when they joined then that soon changes once they have graduated from the police college.

Would you be willing to referee domestics, break up street fights, risk life and limb on a daily basis, get abused simply for doing your job, clean up dead bodies in the local morgue, escort relatives of the dead ones to the morgue to facilitate formal ID's, spend endless hours on pointless paper work, work long hours and night shifts, miss out on your kids special moments because you have to go to Court on your days off, deal with people daily who have the personality of WINJA and remain polite, proffessional and courteous for a paultry $42K?

It appears that not many people are willing to and the ones who have answered the call are leaving faster than they can find new ones.

[MSTRS:Me]

You just said it yourself. It's not the money that attracts.

[750Y]

on the topic of police, it must be pretty frustrating for them at times & some must surely question their career choice at certain pivotal moments.
That guy Greg O'connor?(I think that's his name) he is the president of the 'police association'? or something, he's the guy who seems to make the most sense to me. He seems to have a way of bringing all the politics down to ground level & seems pretty reasonable & realistic & seems to have his finger on the pulse. Is he like a union delegate type guy for the police?
what do you guys in the force think of him?

[spudchucka]

Greg is the president of the police association, which is the police union. He has about 25 - 30 years as a police officer. The big brass don't always like what he says because he doesn't have to answer to the pollies and therefore, what he says is usually a pretty accurate representation of what the majority of front line coppers think.

He is a really interesting guy to talk to and apparently a bloody good laugh to have a beer with.

[scumdog]

With my PM saying much the same it should give you an idea of the front-line guys estimation of him 750Y.