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[inlinefour]

Oh dear... dare I insult the Pm.... but OK... the solution is straight forward... and the Don has already said it.... scrap treaty grievences... once and for all. Increase the numbers of police and actually make crime NOT pay!

All I see from your posts, along with Don B's dribble is SELFISHNESS. All you lot think about is whats good for you and screw anyone else. Its really pathetic and shows that some people have no common sense as only slfish self centered people will vote for this...

[Gremlin]

All I see from your posts, along with Don B's dribble is SELFISHNESS. All you lot think about is whats good for you and screw anyone else. Its really pathetic and shows that some people have no common sense as only slfish self centered people will vote for this...

But isn't that what it is really about?

Everybody votes, and votes for people they think will be best for them, and the majority wins.

[inlinefour]

But isn't that what it is really about?

Everybody votes, and votes for people they think will be best for them, and the majority wins.

But the reality of it is: despite which side is in power, they are all equally good at running the country into the ground. National have a far worse history than Labour, but as far as I'm concerned they are all equally crap.

[Gremlin]

I remember when I first went to uni (2002) and all the elections etc they had. For the first yirs we were given talks about how somebody was better than somebody else (I soon realised that we were given the talks because we didn't know better... yet).

After two years at uni I had a suspicion that things were not as I was led to believe.

Now, in my fourth year (3yr deg, but fucked up at the start, plus doing it minimum full time load) I realise that they are all the same monkeys, just about know each other, every one of them claims to tell the truth, and not a single one knows what truth is.

And you wonder why students are apathetic fucks?? Last elections, we apparently had an excellent turn out of +/- 1100 students. Thats out of a possible 34,000 odd.

I lean towards national, but labour are in power because there is no effective opposition. Winston lies through his teeth at every election, and the other parties are just about non-existant. Act isn't bad tho.

[Krusti]

Main problem is......Govt promises more Police ......Robs Peter to pay Paul....same number of Police or less....Oh well we delivered on our promise not our fault we didn't allow for those leaving in our election promise...

Govt has a lot to answer for....

We used to have a Police force and a Traffic enforcement force...worked bloody well....Snakes were bloody good at their job allthough not very popular and Cops were cops...Both groups were specialists in their field

Now the whole system is watered down and areas of responsibility are very grey.

Problem was some wally in Wellywood could see how cost savings could be made and now we have what they are willing to pay for...Cops having to spend more of their time learning Traffic regs and vice versa with HP.

In reallity the only reason for the intergration was so that some Polititian could say look how many more Police we have without spending any more of the budget.

You get what you pay for and I for one would be happy to pay more tax for more Police if I knew the money was going to go there....Yeah right

Pay peanuts get monkeys.....sorry Spud

Bla Bla Bla Bla....I'm ranting now...Good night

[Pixie]

You get what you pay for and I for one would be happy to pay more tax for more Police if I knew the money was going to go there....Yeah right

Pay peanuts get monkeys.....sorry Spud

Bla Bla Bla Bla....I'm ranting now...Good night

Personally,I wouldn't pay more tax for more cops on the basis of their current performance.
Pay more tax so they can watch more porn?
Recently, a farmer on the Pouto peninsular was phoned by a cop and asked to investigate a "neighbour",a woman on her own,some kilometres away,who had dialed 111 to report an intruder.
The cop said he was too busy to take the call.
I suppose he would have had to put his pants on and turn the computer off in order to take the call himself.

[Pixie]

the police have severely let themselves down... If the police on the ground wanted to instigate change then for cripes sake... speak up!

I agree In the U.K.recently cops have protested ,both anonamously and in public about things their administration and government are trying to instigate.Here the cops just tow the party line.They are totally indoctrinated with their boss's bullshit

[Pixie]

I think you will find that this is a typical media beatup.

Another article i read stated that the guys (who had called 111) Wife then took the phone and stated that Police weren't required.

I dunno if you quite know the area but depending on where this remote Northland farm was it could easily have taken the cop 6 hours to drive there and another 6 to drive back. All to attend a 111 call where the callers have told Police they didn't want them to attend.

Imo he did the right thing, asking a neighboor who lived close if he could just check on them to make sure everything was definately ok.

The nearest large town was Dargarville ,the call was somewhere on the Pouto peninsular.
Look at a map -six hours?Come on.On a bicycle maybe.
Plus -remember that the last farmer that "investigated" a crime in the area was brought up on charges for putting a 12 gauge slug through a piece of filth.

[spudchucka]

Plus -remember that the last farmer that "investigated" a crime in the area was brought up on charges for putting a 12 gauge slug through a piece of filth.

And what was the outcome of that matter? With the ruling that followed, laying those charges may have been the best thing that could have happened in the circumstances.

[spudchucka]

He has said plenty... OK.. lets ask you a question... do you therefore support Klarke? Are you happy with the way things are... with the police... race relations....

I'm generally a National voter, I have voted for Labour back in the Lange days however. I've said plenty about my feelings on the way things are, if you are interested you can use the search function.

[spudchucka]

Well golly... don't you also agree with the fact that police are under resourced?

If you are talking solely about police rsourcing then the answer is yes.

Don't you also agree that some coppers have let the force down?

In an organization with 10,000 employees there will always be a small percentage that let the rest of us down. The latest porn scandle is an example. There are 330 police employees, (they aren't all sworn officers) involved, just over 3% of all staff. Its unfortunate but its hardly the scandle of the century. The media fails to keep things in perspective and the public form ill informed opinions because of the media's reporting habits.

What has been done officially about that coppers reaction to that kid on TV... is this normal?

Are you talking about the cop on police 10/7 who was talking like a Hommie to the guy he was arresting?

The cop looked like he was little more than a kid himself. He had his shirt tail hanging out and was walking around slouched over with a gait similar to a breakdancer with a big boom box on his shoulder.

I thought he was a disgrace, he had no pride in the uniform and his body language was very poor.

If he is a new cop, (possibly one of the 17 - 19 year old cadets that went through the training college a year or so ago) then he is being let down badly by his supervisors and his field training officers. If he was a new cop under me then I would be giving him a good kick up the arse.

[Indoo]

Personally,I wouldn't pay more tax for more cops on the basis of their current performance.
Pay more tax so they can watch more porn?
Recently, a farmer on the Pouto peninsular was phoned by a cop and asked to investigate a "neighbour",a woman on her own,some kilometres away,who had dialed 111 to report an intruder.
The cop said he was too busy to take the call.
I suppose he would have had to put his pants on and turn the computer off in order to take the call himself.

Pixie please show me the direct references where you got your 'facts' in regard to the Pouto incident. Somehow i think your just full of shit.

In order to troll you really do need a better sense of humour. At least Winja can be amusing.

[MikeL]

The media fails to keep things in perspective and the public form ill informed opinions because of the media's reporting habits.

Most people's attitudes are more likely to be formed by the electronic media than by the press. Yesterday's Herald had a long article on the police porn issue and it was thoughtful and reasonably well-balanced. Anyone who read the whole story carefully would be unlikely to jump to any hasty conclusions. But among the general population, how many took the trouble to read it? National Radio (e.g. Morning Report) is the only electronic medium that attempts any in-depth analysis, and again is a minority choice among listeners. Commercial radio and television, with their 15-second sound bites and inability to go beyond sensational headlines, will always distort reality. And don't get me started on talkback radio - exploitation and manipulation hypocritically packaged as freedom of expression...

[inlinefour]

I remember when I first went to uni (2002) and all the elections etc they had. For the first yirs we were given talks about how somebody was better than somebody else (I soon realised that we were given the talks because we didn't know better... yet).

After two years at uni I had a suspicion that things were not as I was led to believe.

Now, in my fourth year (3yr deg, but fucked up at the start, plus doing it minimum full time load) I realise that they are all the same monkeys, just about know each other, every one of them claims to tell the truth, and not a single one knows what truth is.

And you wonder why students are apathetic fucks?? Last elections, we apparently had an excellent turn out of +/- 1100 students. Thats out of a possible 34,000 odd.

I lean towards national, but labour are in power because there is no effective opposition. Winston lies through his teeth at every election, and the other parties are just about non-existant. Act isn't bad tho.

Finished the Ba a few years ago, but know exactly where your coming from

[Pixie]

Pixie please show me the direct references where you got your 'facts' in regard to the Pouto incident. Somehow i think your just full of shit.

In order to troll you really do need a better sense of humour. At least Winja can be amusing.

It was a quote directly from the farmer involved,via federated farmers ,to whom he complained about the incident and published in farmers' weekly or rural express.I've recycled the edition.