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[spudchucka]

Spud.... with regards to your post about the young cop... I am glad you feel the way I do re that... but can't you see for one moment that this is the sort of thing letting down the force... I would want to know if I was a cop what is being done about this idiot!

I'd like to know too. Thankfully, (in my experience) cops like him a few and far between. Looking at the average age for recruitment these days most new cops are in the 28 - 35 age bracket and therefore aren't little hommie wannabe twits. Most have valuable life experience from previous occupations, some however are young and impressionable, these ones need guidance and it appears that this young cop is not getting it.

All we can do as individual cops is to help guide those who are within are own circle of influence. If you are a constable then your circle of influence is really only your peers with less service than yourself. If you are a supervisor then your circle of influence is much wider. Whats really required is good, experienced field training officers that are capable of being mentors to young cops. Sadly the attrition rate amongst senior staff, (especially in Auckland) is such that the field training officers have much less experience these days than they did a while ago.

[spudchucka]

The farmer should have received a heros medal!

Well at least he wasn't convicted and I think that was a good decision.

[spudchucka]

Most people's attitudes are more likely to be formed by the electronic media than by the press. Yesterday's Herald had a long article on the police porn issue and it was thoughtful and reasonably well-balanced. Anyone who read the whole story carefully would be unlikely to jump to any hasty conclusions. But among the general population, how many took the trouble to read it? National Radio (e.g. Morning Report) is the only electronic medium that attempts any in-depth analysis, and again is a minority choice among listeners. Commercial radio and television, with their 15-second sound bites and inability to go beyond sensational headlines, will always distort reality. And don't get me started on talkback radio - exploitation and manipulation hypocritically packaged as freedom of expression...

I agree on the electronic media, they are seldom balanced and usually sensationalist. The print media do a better job but it is human nature to read little more than the headline. When that headline reads "Shocking Porn Scandle Rocks Police" or something similar the readers opinion is pretty much set before they even read the first paragraph.

Talkback radio !

[denill]

Sorry, I thought we were discussing current or "recent" policies, I guess you've put me in my place then!

Sorry, I thought this was a motorcycle Forum!

[drummer]

that has nothing to do with what is happening with the Police. Your just being selfish by taking away from one and giving to another. Whats next, education and health?

How am "I" taking from the health budget by saying we need better police resources? The Government is making a surplus of 8 billion dollars... spend some on services... spend some on protecting kiwis! Why am I selfish when saying this?

[drummer]

Sorry, I thought we were discussing current or "recent" policies, I guess you've put me in my place then!

You mentioned sell offs... they started with Lange!

[drummer]

All we can do as individual cops is to help guide those who are within are own circle of influence. If you are a constable then your circle of influence is really only your peers with less service than yourself. If you are a supervisor then your circle of influence is much wider.

Influence can extend far beyond what officially is available to you however. Some serious lobbying by senior staff both in terms of age and rank would be a great thing.

[drummer]

Well at least he wasn't convicted and I think that was a good decision.

Yes... that is correct... but he should NEVER have been charged. This is what is wrong here. We are being told that is not ok to defend yourself and your property. If someone comes into my home and I am around then woe be them.... and if someone hurts my stepkids... they will not be fit for court let alone anything else! What is wrong with that?

[drummer]

Sorry, I thought this was a motorcycle Forum!

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[WINJA]

How am "I" taking from the health budget by saying we need better police resources? The Government is making a surplus of 8 billion dollars... spend some on services... spend some on protecting kiwis! Why am I selfish when saying this?

WE SHOULD STOP GIVING HALF A BILLION DOLLARS AWAY IN GRANTS TO OVERSEAS COUNTRYS EVERY YEAR THIS WILL HELP EVEN MORE, FUCK THAT COUNTRYS SHOULD STAND AND FALL ON THEIR OWN 2 FEET FINANCIALLY

[drummer]

WE SHOULD STOP GIVING HALF A BILLION DOLLARS AWAY IN GRANTS TO OVERSEAS COUNTRYS EVERY YEAR THIS WILL HELP EVEN MORE, FUCK THAT COUNTRYS SHOULD STAND AND FALL ON THEIR OWN 2 FEET FINANCIALLY

Partly I agree... some overseas aid is wasting money. I think the worst is giving money to groups in our own country that believe they are living in the past... that to me is the biggest rort of all.

[Bren_chch]

WELL, about 4 weeks ago a 'very bad' asian driver pulled out along side of me then did a blind u-turn in front of me, I hit the side of his car and did a little bit of damage to me left hand side of bike (broken upper fairing, broken h-bracket, broken lhs indicator, broken mud front gaurd and a few other small dings)... the guy then drove off after me expressing my frustration regarding the fact that my bike is stuck to his car... so i'm now alone feeling like a right twat in the middle of the road. I used a near by phone, called the cops, explained about the hit and run and how i was pretty pissed that the dude has just driven off! What are they going to do about it... nothing much it seems... i said i have his number plate details can you take them, to which he replied, well you'll have to come in to the station and make a report! WHAT! some guy has just done a runner from a hit and run basically and u want me to get to the station on my now sick bike? anyhow it seems they wont come out to anything like that unless you have a BAD injury, like a broken leg, arm etc, anything else then you have to get down to the station and file a report which takes about an hour and 30mins, well at least it did for me! Anyhow i think thats toss, maybe I just expect to much? you tell me!

[spudchucka]

Yes... that is correct... but he should NEVER have been charged. This is what is wrong here. We are being told that is not ok to defend yourself and your property. If someone comes into my home and I am around then woe be them.... and if someone hurts my stepkids... they will not be fit for court let alone anything else! What is wrong with that?

Why shouldn't he have been charged? Isn't it better to put the matter before the courts and let the justice system decide if the actions were justifiable in the circumstances?

The police did the right thing and so have the courts, (so did the farmer as far as I'm concerned).

[spudchucka]

Influence can extend far beyond what officially is available to you however. Some serious lobbying by senior staff both in terms of age and rank would be a great thing.

Age limits and other criteria are set standards that recruits must achieve. We were talking about a scruffy individual cop who talks like a street Bro, he is the responsibility of his immediate supervisors.

[spudchucka]

WELL, about 4 weeks ago a 'very bad' asian driver pulled out along side of me then did a blind u-turn in front of me, I hit the side of his car and did a little bit of damage to me left hand side of bike (broken upper fairing, broken h-bracket, broken lhs indicator, broken mud front gaurd and a few other small dings)... the guy then drove off after me expressing my frustration regarding the fact that my bike is stuck to his car... so i'm now alone feeling like a right twat in the middle of the road. I used a near by phone, called the cops, explained about the hit and run and how i was pretty pissed that the dude has just driven off! What are they going to do about it... nothing much it seems... i said i have his number plate details can you take them, to which he replied, well you'll have to come in to the station and make a report! WHAT! some guy has just done a runner from a hit and run basically and u want me to get to the station on my now sick bike? anyhow it seems they wont come out to anything like that unless you have a BAD injury, like a broken leg, arm etc, anything else then you have to get down to the station and file a report which takes about an hour and 30mins, well at least it did for me! Anyhow i think thats toss, maybe I just expect to much? you tell me!

You aren't expecting too much. The licence plate details should have been taken from you and broadcast over the local frequency for units to look out for the vehicle.