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[drummer]

So you're a political scientist who can sum up a persons political leaning from reading a few posts on an internet forum as well as an expert in police procedure and judicial matters????

Dam... just can't keep a secret can I LOL!

[drummer]

Spud For the record I would like you to show me the post where I argue about current law.... I don't... I say much of it is an ass... police procedures are failing NZer's... the Herald today finds that 1 in 3 kiwis have lost confidence in the constabulary... up significantly from a year ago... meanwhile you are burying your head in the sand and saying ...well it's the law... everythings ok... NO it's not ok Spud... things have to change!

[Blakamin]

the Herald today finds that 1 in 3 kiwis... blah, blah blah

Who did they ask??? other reporters???


what the papers say----->

[drummer]

Who did they ask??? other reporters???


what the papers say----->

You know, you may have a point... I would have thought many more would not be confident.

[drummer]

Good site this politicalcompass.org

[James Deuce]

Who did they ask??? other reporters???


what the papers say----->

What he said. Having studied research methodology, I've decided that it should be called Bullshitology. The questions will have been canted to produce the exact result required to create this particular controversy. They will have sampled no more than 200 people.

Any stats culled from any research study need to be viewed with the most jaundiced eye you can bring to bear. "Scientists" are not impartial observers or interpreters of data, they are money making ideas machines. Research companies attract the least ethical "scientists".

[drummer]

Thats not the point.... disatisfation with the police IS rising... or do you disagree

[James Deuce]

Thats not the point.... disatisfation with the police IS rising... or do you disagree

Yeah I do. I think that political point scoring between a state run media system and privately owned media companies are creating a self-fueled loop.

It obscures the lack of funding of the Police and the fact that Government policy, not Police policy, has set up a paradigm of a partially self funded Police force via the punitive traffic regime implemented of late. I suppose you expect to keep your job if you tell the boss (or client if you are self-employed) to piss-off every time you are given a job or a project to complete. Principles don't put food on the table for your family, and most Police officers I know are principled but pragmatic enough to know what their priorities are. Police officers are people too you know.

Political entities are a different matter, and the current road traffic enforcement policy was approved by anyone who voted at the last 2 elections.

[Lou Girardin]

Yeah I do. I think that political point scoring between a state run media system and privately owned media companies are creating a self-fueled loop.

It obscures the lack of funding of the Police and the fact that Government policy, not Police policy, has set up a paradigm of a partially self funded Police force via the punitive traffic regime implemented of late. I suppose you expect to keep your job if you tell the boss (or client if you are self-employed) to piss-off every time you are given a job or a project to complete. Principles don't put food on the table for your family, and most Police officers I know are principled but pragmatic enough to know what their priorities are. Police officers are people too you know.

Political entities are a different matter, and the current road traffic enforcement policy was approved by anyone who voted at the last 2 elections.

This doesn't seem to have worried several UK Police forces whose representatives have publicly disagreed with their bosses focus on speed revenue.
Surely the Poms aren't braver?
And I don't recall the current traffic policies ever being specifically referred to in any parties manifesto.
But it sure is this time. Face it, people have had enough. They are sick of little old ladies, mums doing the school run etc all being ticket fodder. In fact, the level of disatisfaction with the Police has mirrored the increase in tickets issued.

[James Deuce]

Surely the Poms aren't braver?

That appears to be the case doesn't it? At least from an institutional autopoietic perspective.

And I don't recall the current traffic policies ever being specifically referred to in any parties manifesto.

Neither do I, but things like the stiffer sentences for crims referendum are partially to blame for providing justification for increasing the penalties. Plus I rather suspect that the current Labour led coalition has a penchant for trying out intellectual social theory in the "real" world. Somehow they are getting away with it in a country that used to punish people for winning the local pub quiz twice in a row, let alone studying at University. I'm not saying the old attitudes were a good thing, but a common sense based balance seems to be lacking in in general in NZ at the moment.

[idb]

Yeah I do. I think that political point scoring between a state run media system and privately owned media companies are creating a self-fueled loop.

It obscures the lack of funding of the Police and the fact that Government policy, not Police policy, has set up a paradigm of a partially self funded Police force via the punitive traffic regime implemented of late. Police officers are people too you know.

Political entities are a different matter, and the current road traffic enforcement policy was approved by anyone who voted at the last 2 elections.

I think that dis-satisfaction with the Police IS rising but most of the fault lies elsewhere.
How could they win? They have to enforce government policies that put them into conflict with thousands of ordinary people that they would normally would have no negative contact with, they have to operate within budgets set by politicians with all of the other agendas that they have, they are at the pointy end so they will cop the flak for any complaints (think of the poor desk clerk in the foyer of your local council office) and they are unable to defend themselves from the criticism by directing it to where it belongs.
As well as having their perceived or real failings constantly being exposed by politicians and media for their own agendas.
Sounds like a no-win position to be in when you think about it.

[Lou Girardin]

Who did they ask??? other reporters???


what the papers say----->

Actually there is a public confidence survey commissioned by the Govt every year and has been going for many years. It's even worse, it shows only 53% of respondents consider that the Police are doing a good job.
You are merely shooting the messenger. It would be preferable if Robinson and his cohort start to realise something is going very wrong. But that would mean admitting it's their fault and resigning.
Never mind, they could always sue Helen 5 years later.

[James Deuce]

Actually there is a public confidence survey commissioned by the Govt every year and has been going for many years. It's even worse, it shows only 53% of respondents consider that the Police are doing a good job.
You are merely shooting the messenger. It would be preferable if Robinson and his cohort start to realise something is going very wrong. But that would mean admitting it's their fault and resigning.
Never mind, they could always sue Helen 5 years later.

Yes, and despite appearances Mr Robinson is probably more on to it than he will let on until after he has retired. I saw an interview on Nightline about 3-4 months ago where he was given some stick about the speeding issue and the Police force's focus on speeding and drink driving, and he made some very pointed comments about how the HP were funded by government organisations to provide data or "results" for particular targets and how that translated into funding for extra Police resources.

He was very, very clever in the way he worded the response (though I know that will probably raise a laugh from some) and it certainly made me think quite hard about how my perceptions of the Police Force were being manipulated by all sorts of input and not necessarily in a wholly ethical fashion.

[Lou Girardin]

If that's so, it makes him all the more reprehensible in that he's allowing a once proud and respected force to be demeaned as it is.
Never has the phrase "golden handcuffs" been so apt.

[Blakamin]

Actually there is a public confidence survey commissioned by the Govt every year and has been going for many years. It's even worse, it shows only 53% of respondents consider that the Police are doing a good job.
You are merely shooting the messenger. It would be preferable if Robinson and his cohort start to realise something is going very wrong. But that would mean admitting it's their fault and resigning.
Never mind, they could always sue Helen 5 years later.

but thats a bit different from a newspaper poll... and if they want an opinion, why do they just ask rich people in auckland or wellywood? I've never been asked my opinion (but you get to hear it anyway)