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[justsomeguy]

As Merv wrote - Police are losing respect at an ever increasing rate and Politicians need to tackle the problem.................

BillW.

The govt are very busy, first they lowered the drinking age, legalised prostitution, gave us the civil union bill.......... leave them alone will you........

[Redstar]

I guess you won't get a Traffic revenue collector all dressed up like a Policeman attending a crime or civil duty, and you won't get a Policeman issueing bullshit trivia tickets? it was so much easier to differentiate the breed when the Traffic Department drove black and whites.

[inlinefour]

I guess you won't get a Traffic revenue collector all dressed up like a Policeman attending a crime or civil duty, and you won't get a Policeman issueing bullshit trivia tickets? it was so much easier to differentiate the breed when the Traffic Department drove black and whites.

Plus unless you where being a total dumb arse the magpies where allright and pretty good to talk to. As a teenager I used to get pulled up at least once on a Friday night, but generally by the same dude on a bike who just wanted to have a chat. These days they have the Police name on them and the common sense has gone and bullshit has taken over?

[denill]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/sh...&postcount=235

I guess people don't bother searching the forum before posting anymore.

Sorry MSTRS, didn't mean to 'steal' your thread. It is not the first time I have done it, but I have another life and do not read/follow EVERY thread and after a quick look around I decided it was fresh.

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.
It is not you guys in the front line (apart from a few who are just arseholes anyway) but the REAL problem is - the directions from the hierachy.
spudchucka - if you are really honest would you admit to at times being directed to carry out some activities that you consider unpalatable??

BillW.

[Blakamin]

I don't know what it is like down in the Hutt Valley but when "boy racers" gather in large numbers in my area they tend to make a nuisance of themselves and we get heaps of complaints about them doing skids and the loud "boom boom" stereos. If thats the case I can understand the cops treating people with some contempt, (because it is a pain in the arse and they would rather be doing something else).

I wish they'd just lock all the BRs up and be done with the fuckers

[Kickaha]

spudchucka - it is natural that you defend your colleagues, but it must be starting to dawn that more and more Police actions are indefensible.

Or is it just that these actions make better media than all the good that they do and so tend to be reported more

[scumdog]

Or is it just that these actions make better media than all the good that they do and so tend to be reported more

Now theres a man with a shit-load of common sense!! Good stuff, glad to see somebody else notices that, as I said in another thread, traffic aside the Police are making the same number of mistakes as they did 10-20 years ago, only now the media seem to have an agenda to make as much of it as they can, unlike a few years back.

Newspaper editors? they're behind politicians and child molesters - a LONG way behind.

And even car salesmen are ahead of the above bunch

[scumdog]

Plus unless you where being a total dumb arse the magpies where allright and pretty good to talk to. As a teenager I used to get pulled up at least once on a Friday night, but generally by the same dude on a bike who just wanted to have a chat. These days they have the Police name on them and the common sense has gone and bullshit has taken over?

I beg to differ, they were even more pedantic as they're job description was a bit nrrower and traffic specific.

Never been pulled over by Police to the same extent as I did by Traffic, both before and after the merger (talking about my 'previous'life here)

After all, how many of you've been threatened with a ticket 'cos you had bent the number plate to suit the bracket (ex-USA bike) even though it was totally legible?
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[manuboy]

I think it's a bit of a worry that people can post these threads. It's not even trolling - it's just BS. Because even those of us that don't see the police force though rose tinted glasses cannot seriously hold the opinion that the scenario in this case was as simple as it played out in print.

Think about it - the cops are getting a pasting right now for one thing, they wouldn't be courting the type of public relations disaster the media could have / will make from this.

And more importantly, depsite what some would like to think, if the resources are available, there's no way the police would neglect their duties like this. There might be isolated cases that lead people to think otherwise, but Police are generally like you and me - you do your job to the best of your abilities. Especially if lives are involved. I see lack of resources as a valid excuse here. Who's to know that at the time a guy already dead was lying on the beach, somebody else not quite dead yet was at immediate risk and needed attending to?

[merv]

I beg to differ, they were even more pedantic as they're job description was a bit nrrower and traffic specific.

Never been pulled over by Police to the same extent as I did by Traffic, both before and after the merger (talking about my 'previous'life here)

After all, how many of you've been threatened with a ticket 'cos you had bent the number plate to suit the bracket (ex-USA bike) even though it was totally legible?
r

I agree entirely, I enjoyed the days after MOT when the Police did it all, they never bothered me much at all, but then along came HP. All in their flash shiny cars and all gung-ho. I think it been said before, the general duties guys are left to drive around in the high km shitters to do all the real work. The prima donnas have it easy, example of this was my previous comment on the HP just sitting having a chat in their cars side by side on the grass beside the motorway. I guess the HP people would have the same personalities as the old MOT cops had way back, something akin to Gestapo.

I see lack of resources as a valid excuse here. Who's to know that at the time a guy already dead was lying on the beach, somebody else not quite dead yet was at immediate risk and needed attending to?

If, as Denill says, the dude was just using his laser gun, he's hardly attending to crash victims and other such important duties.

[marty]

a sudden death (especially in a public place) is a priority one job, i fail to see how the situation could pan out as it apparantley has. also, is it 100% sure that the rescue chopper picked up the deceased? i would be surprised, as even ambulance will not transport deceased (unless they die en-route) - that is the job of the coroner's agent (the police, and the undertaker, at the police call). the resucue chopper is not the coroner's agent, and if they did uplift the body, they are toeing a fine line between public service and ensuring they get revenue, as if it is no longer an accident, then ACC won't subsidise. how did they know it wasn't a homicide made to look like a drowning? as i said, the P1 status is automatic for a sudden death, and is given priority over everything else. the camera operator doesn't even come into the equation, as they (most of them anyway) have as much clout, power and incident attendance training as the average front counter receptionist at the local police station, and they may not even have been on the same radio channel. as a comparison, if an emergency was to occur at Tamahere, which is 3 kms south of hamilton on SH1, even though there may be cops cruising in hillcrest, or a camera van parked on SH1 2kms south of hamilton, they would not know about it, as they operate on the hamilton city channel, but tamahere is in cambridge's patch, and they operate on a separate channel. Cambridge is 15kms from tamahere. it is easy to see how, without the full picture, the perception of a situation leads to conclusions being drawn.

[Frankie]

Whats new...

Next thing you know youll hear "Please hold, a taxi has been dispatched to a location 490km away... please start walking"
oh wait... its already like that

[Zapf]

yea I have similar gruge... all they care is about speeding, when I drive all of 25km's home from city to howick and I see 3 red light runners, all of them running reds clearly. after around 1 to 2 seconds after the reds came on.

Its those KPI's I tell you.... (Key Performance Indicators) e.g how many speeders and not red light runners

[Rainbow Wizard]

This sort of thing doesn't suprise me at all. Their no1 priority seems to be gathering revenue from NZers, what aload of shit. They couldn't give a shit about the road toll, they use the road toll as an excuse for this bs .

Yet another story to back up NZ Police inadequacies. Days are shown in brackets[*]: [1]Stolen item identified for sale on TradeMe > Police notified 5 days before auction closes > Action: NIL > [5] As I knew (but had totally lost track of the owner) I successfully bid on the item to prevent it from disppearing into the ether then did some detective work to trace the vendor (not otherwise publicly traceable: hotmail address, no reply to my emails) turns out the vendor AND TradeMe had both been notified [3] of its stolen status by another person >[6] sighted the item at vendor's temporary workplace but still unable trace genuine owner > [7] obtained owner's email & notified him of the situation and passed on vendor's first name (all he would volunteer) and work location >[7] Police notified >[10] Police advise they have identified vendor's name & address >[14] Police email owner alleging insufficient detail supplied to prove item offered for sale was his. This was total BS, his name was embossed in 50mm high letters on a totally prominent position AND the serial number was also given to the Police. UNBLOODY-BELIEVABLE INCOMPETANCE >[15] Owner visits Regional Commander to complain > [18] Police verify vendor's description & place of work with me >[21] Officer to whom the burglary was originally reported verifies details to establish sufficient criteria exists to justify search warrant > [22] Item recovered.

I'm totally surprised the vendor hadn't quit or destroyed the item, denial is usually the first form of defence. I am also absolutely confident that had I not secured the bid and sighted the item the Police action would have been ZIP, despite the irrefutable evidence. But as we all know, leave your seatbelt (some of us own cars too) off or exceed the speed limit (read: exhibit an opportunity for revenue gathering) and they'll be on us like a plague. Boy have these fellers and their bigwig bureaucrat bosses got some damage control task in front of them!

[scumdog]

Yep, if everybody kept there seatbelts on, didn't speed, didn't run red lights and NEVER did any drink-driving we would have SO much more time/staff available for burgs. assaults etc.

One burg = $2,000 -$5,000 worth of gear gone.

One serious injury crash with one person = $30,000 + of medical care etc.

O.K., you can't say a H.P. guy on patrol giving out the odd ticket prevents X number of crashes But even if it prevents a single serious injury crash it has saved the country 10 times or more of the cost of a burglary.

Go for it flamers!!!!