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**madboy** · 28th March 2005, 22:54

Is this thread still going? Jeez... I can't be bothered going back to page 16 or so where I last left it... are we still bashing the police, or have we reached the logical conclusion that they're just a bunch of human beings (with varying qualities) doing a job?

**RDJ** · 29th March 2005, 01:22

Y'know, a few days back I read this thread all at once and it left a very bad taste... some of the comments in this thread are really inappropriate no matter what contacts we may have had with individual police which have left us unhappy.

Are there "bad apples" in the police force? Of course, as in every human endeavour.

Should we judge all police by the actions of a (very) few? Hmmm... let's see... should all car drivers judge all bikers by the actions of a few?

The percentage of police that are stupid / corrupt / venal etc in NZ is IMO significantly far less than that in the average population, and certainly much less than in many (most?) other countries, and speaking for myself I am grateful that these men and women put themselves at risk usually to protect us.

Please give the police-bashing a rest. We are bikers. We are a community as much as police are. But if we fall off who - besides the medics - will pick us up, redirect the traffic, listen to our story, help us get home, and if the worst happens, tell our loved ones? The police. As a community they help us a lot more than we help them.

Policing may be interesting, challenging, even rewarding, but it cannot often be fun.

Please give the police community as a whole a break and let's at the very least show some respect by being polite when we disagree with them as individuals.

(Steps off soapbox)

Yes I know if we speed we get ticketed. Solution: I shouldn't speed if I don't want a ticket. (Full disclosure: my last ticket was on SH1 in 2003...)

**Sniper** · 29th March 2005, 11:59

Originally Posted by scumdog

And oh yeah, that WINJA guy? just another wannabe cop who couldn't make the grade so being the petulant sort of person has thrown all the toys out of the cot.

Oh yea and if I called him an arsehole, would I be wrong?

**outlawtorn** · 29th March 2005, 12:36

Originally Posted by RDJ

Y'know, a few days back I read this thread all at once and it left a very bad taste... some of the comments in this thread are really inappropriate no matter what contacts we may have had with individual police which have left us unhappy.

Are there "bad apples" in the police force? Of course, as in every human endeavour.

Should we judge all police by the actions of a (very) few? Hmmm... let's see... should all car drivers judge all bikers by the actions of a few?

The percentage of police that are stupid / corrupt / venal etc in NZ is IMO significantly far less than that in the average population, and certainly much less than in many (most?) other countries, and speaking for myself I am grateful that these men and women put themselves at risk usually to protect us.

Please give the police-bashing a rest. We are bikers. We are a community as much as police are. But if we fall off who - besides the medics - will pick us up, redirect the traffic, listen to our story, help us get home, and if the worst happens, tell our loved ones? The police. As a community they help us a lot more than we help them.

Policing may be interesting, challenging, even rewarding, but it cannot often be fun.

Please give the police community as a whole a break and let's at the very least show some respect by being polite when we disagree with them as individuals.

(Steps off soapbox)

Yes I know if we speed we get ticketed. Solution: I shouldn't speed if I don't want a ticket. (Full disclosure: my last ticket was on SH1 in 2003...)

Hear hear, leave the cops alone, they are only doing their job.

FYI, now that I have permanent residence I am looking into becoming a police officer, dunno what field yet, but I would really like to help support and police this wonderful country. I know some of you are thinking "oh fuck, this prick in the police force" but I do reckon I would enjoy it, I like helping people out.

But WINJA, please note that if I do join the police force I do not automatically become a bastard, I'll have you know I am already a bastard and I already dislike you.

**outlawtorn** · 29th March 2005, 12:36

Originally Posted by Sniper_CBR

Oh yea and if I called him an arsehole, would I be wrong?

No you wouldn't, so feel free to call him an arsehole from the rooftops

**scumdog** · 29th March 2005, 12:45

Originally Posted by Sniper_CBR

Oh yea and if I called him an arsehole, would I be wrong?

Probably not - but then again it might just be an otherwise honourable member of the site trolling (lot of

buggers out there) - in which case he IS an arsehole for trolling so well!

Having said that I reckon yup, he's just another arsehole.

**Lou Girardin** · 29th March 2005, 16:35

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

I do reckon I would enjoy it, I like helping people out.

You're immediately disqualified from applying.

**scumdog** · 29th March 2005, 16:43

Originally Posted by Lou Girardin

You're immediately disqualified from applying.

Lous right, you have to be bigotted, you have to lie, you have make motorists lives a misery, you have speed when theres no need, you have to drink to excess, you have to fall into a certain 'culture' and you have to have no brain, crikey it's no wonder I feel like I don't 'fit in' with my job!!!

( PT)

BTW, most of the above comments seem to on par for a lot of members of this site!!

**WINJA** · 29th March 2005, 19:49

Originally Posted by outlawtorn

Hear hear, leave the cops alone, they are only doing their job.

FYI, now that I have permanent residence I am looking into becoming a police officer, dunno what field yet, but I would really like to help support and police this wonderful country. I know some of you are thinking "oh fuck, this prick in the police force" but I do reckon I would enjoy it, I like helping people out.

But WINJA, please note that if I do join the police force I do not automatically become a bastard, I'll have you know I am already a bastard and I already dislike you.

IF YOU JOIN THE POLICE AND YOU HAND OUT TICKETS FOR 115KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY THEN YOU ARENT A BASTARD, YOURE A CUNT. AND THIS IS MY PROBLEM COPS THAT HAND OUT THESE KIND OF TICKETS ARE REVENUE GATHERING AND WE ALL KNOW IT, THROW ALL THE STATISTICS AT IT YOU LIKE THE AVERAGE SPEED IS LOWER THAN EVER BUT THE HOLIDAY ROAD TOLL IS AT 9. SO TARGETING THE SPEEDERS AT THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM IS BULLSHIT.
SPUD , SCUM AND NOD YOU CAN ALL FUCK OFF , YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY YOUR SUPERIORS INTO BELIEVING THIS SPEEDING BULLSHIT AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HOMOS

**Morepower** · 29th March 2005, 20:54

I have just read a fair bit of this thread and am sorry I wasted so much time but want to put in my 2c.

I would hate to be a cop (and I am talking real police not Highway Patrol), the main reason is the low life scum that they have to deal with that thankfully most of us never meet in our daily lives.
Secondly the force is ultimately controlled by Politics and and the need to provide good statistics so some fat prick gets a bonus.

Also the Police have to act within the law , the lowlife dont and that must be frustrating as hell.

Sure we all hear the horror stories when things go wrong or a cop gets it all wrong. The media dont help ,thier reporting of facts in my first hand experience is often nothing short of ficticious.

There are pricks in all walks of life.

I note that Winja makes a lot of unreasoned comment behind a good deal of anonimity by not disclosing model of bike or location. There are plenty of people on this board who know who I am , I have nothing to hide.
There are a few idiots on the force who should not be there but there are plenty of good Cops, its not intelligent to make sweeping generalisations.

My 2c

Dave

**peterjdaly** · 29th March 2005, 21:05

Alas, there is a village out there somewhere missing it's idiot. Winja, get back in touch with your village and get back to work, the village needs people like you in order to realise what decent people actually think.

**Lou Girardin** · 29th March 2005, 21:06

Originally Posted by scumdog

Lous right, you have to be bigotted, you have to lie, you have make motorists lives a misery, you have speed when theres no need, you have to drink to excess, you have to fall into a certain 'culture' and you have to have no brain, crikey it's no wonder I feel like I don't 'fit in' with my job!!!

( PT)

BTW, most of the above comments seem to on par for a lot of members of this site!!

Mr Dog, I have to say you're a true gem and definitely the exception that proves the rule.
As for winja, if he ever formulates a cogent argument, I might almost agree with him.

**scumdog** · 29th March 2005, 23:11

Originally Posted by WINJA

IF YOU JOIN THE POLICE AND YOU HAND OUT TICKETS FOR 115KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY THEN YOU ARENT A BASTARD, YOURE A CUNT. AND THIS IS MY PROBLEM COPS THAT HAND OUT THESE KIND OF TICKETS ARE REVENUE GATHERING AND WE ALL KNOW IT, THROW ALL THE STATISTICS AT IT YOU LIKE THE AVERAGE SPEED IS LOWER THAN EVER BUT THE HOLIDAY ROAD TOLL IS AT 9. SO TARGETING THE SPEEDERS AT THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM IS BULLSHIT.
SPUD , SCUM AND NOD YOU CAN ALL FUCK OFF , YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY YOUR SUPERIORS INTO BELIEVING THIS SPEEDING BULLSHIT AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HOMOS

winja, are you trying to make a point? please explain a little bit more clearly what you are attempting to tell us....

and the "your" in the sentence 'your all a bunch of homos' should actually be "you're", BTW...

**RDJ** · 29th March 2005, 23:20

Originally Posted by WINJA

IF YOU JOIN THE POLICE AND YOU HAND OUT TICKETS FOR 115KMH ON AN EMPTY MOTORWAY THEN YOU ARENT A BASTARD, YOURE A CUNT. AND THIS IS MY PROBLEM COPS THAT HAND OUT THESE KIND OF TICKETS ARE REVENUE GATHERING AND WE ALL KNOW IT, THROW ALL THE STATISTICS AT IT YOU LIKE THE AVERAGE SPEED IS LOWER THAN EVER BUT THE HOLIDAY ROAD TOLL IS AT 9. SO TARGETING THE SPEEDERS AT THE LOWER END OF THE SPECTRUM IS BULLSHIT.
SPUD , SCUM AND NOD YOU CAN ALL FUCK OFF , YOUVE BEEN BRAINWASHED BY YOUR SUPERIORS INTO BELIEVING THIS SPEEDING BULLSHIT AND YOUR ALL A BUNCH OF HOMOS

ah the sweet sound of reasoned discourse.... seriously, if you are looking to convince people of the rightness of your position and the soundness of your arguments, this is not the way. If on the other hand you are trolling to provoke replies and annoy people, I apologize to others on the forum for feeding the troll.