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**RDJ** · 22nd April 2005, 22:00

""The Police should attend everything? No matter how big or small? Kind of like saying an Ambulance should attend every accident even if its just a 5 year old kid who has just graised his knee. ""

Having spent many many hours riding ground and air ambulances, I'll bite at this one Honda :-)

Kid falls out of the tree. Mother sees kid on the ground, screaming, holding neck and bleeding from knee. Dials 111, calls for an ambulance. Ambulance arrives, child sitting up tearful, bleeding from a graze to knee. Was the ambulance needed? No. Was it necessary to send the ambulance? Yes. That's my view. :-)

**scumdog** · 22nd April 2005, 23:14

Originally Posted by drummer

sorry... that doesn't wash with me.... what right do you or anyone else have to judge what is serious or not... if we need 20000 more cops then so be it... but somehow I believe you figures are wrong. Face it... the police are letting themselves down badly!

So what are YOU going to do to fix this problem????????

**inlinefour** · 22nd April 2005, 23:33

Originally Posted by RDJ

""The Police should attend everything? No matter how big or small? Kind of like saying an Ambulance should attend every accident even if its just a 5 year old kid who has just graised his knee. ""

Having spent many many hours riding ground and air ambulances, I'll bite at this one Honda :-)

Kid falls out of the tree. Mother sees kid on the ground, screaming, holding neck and bleeding from knee. Dials 111, calls for an ambulance. Ambulance arrives, child sitting up tearful, bleeding from a graze to knee. Was the ambulance needed? No. Was it necessary to send the ambulance? Yes. That's my view. :-)

Then there is no point, but I guess that you live for making storms in teacups...

**Gremlin** · 23rd April 2005, 00:31

Originally Posted by scumdog

So what are YOU going to do to fix this problem????????

I'm going to piss and moan like an ingrained asshole, and TAKE IT UP THE TAILPIPE.

That was especially for those who like Liar Liar. (Well, I did)

**inlinefour** · 23rd April 2005, 01:36

Originally Posted by Gremlin

I'm going to piss and moan like an ingrained asshole, and TAKE IT UP THE TAILPIPE.

That was especially for those who like Liar Liar. (Well, I did)

That sounds like an average day in politics, no matter which side of the bench your supporting...

**spudchucka** · 23rd April 2005, 10:57

Originally Posted by jimbo600

I think I'll chirp in my 2cents. NZ has the worst police/population ratios in the developed world. Overall they re owed 700 years in TOIL. They are overworked, understaffed and underresourced and this is now being manifested in poor service and standards. The individuals themselves do a remarkable job given the resources allocated. We desperately need a change in governmental attitude towards policing for things to change. The latest email drama is a piss in the eyes for the folk employed in the force and damaging to an already fickle morale.

The sweet sound of common sense, thanks Jimbo.

**spudchucka** · 23rd April 2005, 11:13

Originally Posted by drummer

I absolutely winced the other day when I was seeing "Police 10-7"... some moron was arested after a theft... the police molycoddled him and kept saying "Sweet Bro"... NO.... IT AIN'T SWEET BRO.... Being arrested after stealing some victims poccessions ain't sweet bro... that particular officer deserved an uppercut...

After reading all your posts on this issue I've finally found something that I agree with.

**spudchucka** · 23rd April 2005, 11:16

Originally Posted by drummer

Brash makes sense... and what is wrong with saying what the public wants to hear.... isn't that what should happen?

Saying is one thing. Doing is another. Even explaining how he intend to do something would be an improvement. His public reaction to this issue was just that, a reaction, a statement made to capture some public support with little or no attention given to the intended path he would take to reach that outcome.

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:39

Originally Posted by jimbo600

I think I'll chirp in my 2cents. NZ has the worst police/population ratios in the developed world. Overall they re owed 700 years in TOIL. They are overworked, understaffed and underresourced and this is now being manifested in poor service and standards. The individuals themselves do a remarkable job given the resources allocated. We desperately need a change in governmental attitude towards policing for things to change. The latest email drama is a piss in the eyes for the folk employed in the force and damaging to an already fickle morale.

It IS the police on the ground ... (or a few of them to be accurate) ..as you call them that are the cause of the latest drama. Fair enough, there are good cops around, but... I can only go on what I have personally seen since arriving back in NZ... and that is a tired, arrogant bunch of individuals. Now if that doesn't apply to all... and I would think it doesn't... then good.... but I am still waiting to meet one of the good ones!

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:42

Originally Posted by Honda

Just my opinion and all, but. The way you carry on drummer with your nazi rants, I reckon your an even bigger pillick as Helen C.
Its easy to say things are not great and we need to do this and that, but you provide no details how, just like Don, point the finger and complain., but don't actually come up with ANY good solutions...

Oh dear... dare I insult the Pm.... but OK... the solution is straight forward... and the Don has already said it.... scrap treaty grievences... once and for all. Increase the numbers of police and actually make crime NOT pay!

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:51

Originally Posted by scumdog

So what are YOU going to do to fix this problem????????

Fair question... firstly, If I was in government, I would dramatically increase police numbers... but restrict them to fighting crime... not tax collecting on our roads. Resource the police well. Secondly I would impose increased minimum sentences... mandatory sentences on things like rape, murder, child molestation etc. The courts currently pay lip service to what the majority of NZer's want. How for example can an Asian young man end up getting 200 hours community service for killing a Motorcyclist by doing an illegal U turn when his license had already been suspended? How can we as a nation be satisfied with the current government when police resources don't allow child rape cases in Manukau to be investigated?

However I am not in government. So... I lobby the current government and debate publically about these issues. It's all I can do presently.

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:53

Originally Posted by spudchucka

After reading all your posts on this issue I've finally found something that I agree with.

Well golly... don't you also agree with the fact that police are under resourced? Don't you also agree that some coppers have let the force down? What has been done officially about that coppers reaction to that kid on TV... is this normal?

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:55

Originally Posted by Honda

The Police should attend everything? No matter how big or small? Kind of like saying an Ambulance should attend every accident even if its just a 5 year old kid who has just graised his knee.

What you ask is rhetorical.... and I hope you know that. The point is... who makes the judgement... and what... like has happened too many times lately if they get it wrong?

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:57

Originally Posted by spudchucka

Saying is one thing. Doing is another. Even explaining how he intend to do something would be an improvement. His public reaction to this issue was just that, a reaction, a statement made to capture some public support with little or no attention given to the intended path he would take to reach that outcome.

He has said plenty... OK.. lets ask you a question... do you therefore support Klarke? Are you happy with the way things are... with the police... race relations....

**drummer** · 23rd April 2005, 11:58

Originally Posted by RDJ

""The Police should attend everything? No matter how big or small? Kind of like saying an Ambulance should attend every accident even if its just a 5 year old kid who has just graised his knee. ""

Having spent many many hours riding ground and air ambulances, I'll bite at this one Honda :-)

Kid falls out of the tree. Mother sees kid on the ground, screaming, holding neck and bleeding from knee. Dials 111, calls for an ambulance. Ambulance arrives, child sitting up tearful, bleeding from a graze to knee. Was the ambulance needed? No. Was it necessary to send the ambulance? Yes. That's my view. :-)

Well put... and the way it should be!